Censorship

[moches]

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My government -protects- all freedom of expression and doesn't limit it at all, and they seem to do a perfectly good job keeping revolutionaries at bay.

I agree and that's because all rights are limited where they become malicious to others. For example, Relambrien made a very good point earlier in the thread:

"Censorship can be good because it prevents people from being offended"? So, restricting the free flow of information just because someone might take offense to it is inherently wrong? I could say something like "The ratio of blacks to whites in jail is 2:1" (disclaimer: I have no idea whether or not that's true, this is an example), but that could offend people. Thus, it shouldn't ever be said, right? It should be censored? But then, without that knowledge, how could it be possible to fix the problem? If no one knows the problem exists, then it would be impossible to find the source of it, rectify it, and thus solve the problem. Preventing speech just because "someone might get offended" serves only to harm the ability of people to solve problems.

If I did say something like that, it wouldn't be considered malicious since it's a fact. You're not trying to cut the other person down. All you're doing is stating a fact.

Now compare that to someone saying "All ******* should go rot in jail." See the difference? That's not a fact. That's not helpful. That's a socially damaging, hate-inducing statement. That's exactly where the line is drawn: this thing we call "censorship".

[massflavour]

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Now compare that to someone saying "All ******* should go rot in jail." See the difference? That's not a fact. That's not helpful. That's a socially damaging, hate-inducing statement. That's exactly where the line is drawn: this thing we call "censorship".

are you saying if someone has an opinion you don't like then they shouldn't have the right to be heard? dang.

[krunkykai22]

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correct me if im wrong in our government the constitution clearly states that you have freedom of speech as long as it is not harming nor conflicting with anyones state of mind or life ... if its not harmful to someone else then its your freedom to say so. now in our government and with our society the way it is ... again correct me if im wrong, but ... that means no one can say a word pretty much ... when it comes to other countries ... china's government has always been controlling and will always be controlling ... the united states will never succeed in making them a democracy ... china isnt happy with us right now as it is ... what makes you think that they would listen to us about there own government ... and by the way ... devonin ... you will learn that soon enough your country will turn into the same exact way as the united states ... you too will see what americans go through ... you can't really speak a word without it offending someone ... i don't mean to offend or stomp on any rough territory ... but im serious here ... if barrack obama comes to presidency this country will flee ... i live in new jersey and everyone here is rooting for mccain ... they have stated they will flee to canada if obama becomes president ... btw ... what i said right there is conflicting with freedom of speech/expression ... think hard about why.

[hoochan]

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Actually, China might one day be a democracy again so saying they never will is wrong.

Canada will probably never be like the US. From what I've seen, they've been diplomatically correct throughout everything which is the exact opposite of what the US has been doing and what we will continue to do.

[meno_rocks123]

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Actually, China might one day be a democracy again so saying they never will is wrong.

Canada will probably never be like the US. From what I've seen, they've been diplomatically correct throughout everything which is the exact opposite of what the US has been doing and what we will continue to do.

Have you ever heard of the 4 (or more?) rebellions that have happened in Canada?
At least you guys get a cool history
Europe- "WE're going to be dicks and not expand the borders of your colonies"
USA- "**** you" *bang bang*

Us:
Canada- "Hey, you wanna join the confederation?"
Them- "no"
Canada- "we'll give you tons of stuff"
Them- "ok"

As far as China goes, eventually someone will probably lead a revolution and at least get China going towards democracy, but I don't see it happening in the next few years.

[moches]

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are you saying if someone has an opinion you don't like then they shouldn't have the right to be heard? dang.

Are you saying racists have a right to be heard?

[devonin]

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Krunkykai:

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Please stop overusing and misusing the poor ellipsis. It represents where you have ommitted text from an existing piece of text. It isn't supposed to be a pause, there are commas, semicolons and periods for that. We use them as a pause now and then, which is wrong but okay (I do it too sometimes) but seriously, all you did was make your thoughts disconnected, jumped, and very hard to read.

now in our government and with our society the way it is ... again correct me if im wrong, but ... that means no one can say a word pretty much ... when it comes to other countries

Sure I can. I can say anything I like about another country, where did you get the idea that freedom of speech doesn't allow me to state an opinion about foreign affairs?

devonin ... you will learn that soon enough your country will turn into the same exact way as the united states

I vehemently disagree. Every year a history professor at the university I attend asks his class to provide the three things they think most identify canadians. For the past 15 years in every class he has gotten the same three answers: "hockey" "beer" "being not the United States"

if barrack obama comes to presidency this country will flee ... i live in new jersey and everyone here is rooting for mccain ... they have stated they will flee to canada if obama becomes president

I think it is ridiculous for you to suggest that censorship is bad and also that people will leave if a democrat enters office. Traditionally republicans are the most eager to curtail rights.

btw ... what i said right there is conflicting with freedom of speech/expression

No it isn't.

Are you saying racists have a right to be heard?

There's a point I like to raise in certain discussions about people's right to an opinion. You hear people say "Everybody has the right to express their own opinion" but frankly that is nonsense. Everyone has a right to express their own informed opinion. Racism is such an inherantly ignorant and misinformed behavior that no, censorship entirely aside, I don't believe such an attitude has a right to be expressed.

[darkness1477]

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I think it is ridiculous for you to suggest that censorship is bad and also that people will leave if a democrat enters office. Traditionally republicans are the most eager to curtail rights.

it not because he a democrat it because he black

and censorship is a really effictive way for goverments to get hat they want and protect whats important to them.

i doubt that china would ever want to be like america since there trying to kill us off giving us poisunes toys, giving us clothes with microscopic parisites on them and all the other crap they give us, besides they can only dream of achieving a level of super cool awsomeness that we have achieved here in the states.

[Tokzic]

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this thread is full of people who should not be in ct

Censorship is ridiculous. There are no thoughts that should not be heard, and the concept of someone else deciding what's appropriate for me to hear is insulting. If a government can't handle criticism, then they've lost track of what the meaning of government is.

[devonin]

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Censorship is ridiculous. There are no thoughts that should not be heard, and the concept of someone else deciding what's appropriate for me to hear is insulting.

Some censorship isn't about closing your ears, it's about closing someone else's mouth.

I am perfectly okay with racism being punishable by law as hate speech and other similar protective limits on speech.

I gues what it means is "Anybody should be allowed and able to say anything they want, and then we can decide once the words come out of their mouth, whether we want to punish them for it" and I do grant that there are certain things one can say in certain arenas that should not be protected as free speech.

[darkness1477]

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who are we to judge what someone says

[krunkykai22]

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Ok, number one i am democratic, however, i feel as if obama would be an obscene threat to our society. I mean for crying out loud, its been stated that he was caught associating with terrorists. I'm not against democrats, just out of line ones.

Second, I had stated that " WE can not say anything about other countries " only because we have no room to speak at all. We're screwed up from the get go, why talk about other countries.

[lord_carbo]

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Europe- "WE're going to be dicks and not expand the borders of your colonies"
USA- "**** you" *bang bang*

Actually it was more like,

England: "we're going to excessively tax you."
Colonies: "what the ****, man. ;_; C'mon."
Thomas Paine: "America stop being such pussies."
Colonies: "K."

I am perfectly okay with racism being punishable by law as hate speech

Why?

[Verruckter]

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Are you saying racists have a right to be heard?

Technically yes. That doesn't mean you have to listen to them. You should also use what they say against them, and make your own mind about what they claim. In other words, you can become a better person by actually listening to a racist/hateful person, because you know what not to think or say and you can make your own reflections.

I don't believe in any form of censorship. People need to stop making everything taboo or being retardely overprotective. Teach yourselves how to discern the good from the bad.

[devonin]

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Why?

Because complete and total ignorance that has the potential to poison the minds of the unwary just has no business being spread around.