Censorship

[Netjet!]

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That may be true, but does it matter if word spreads of people "dissing" different races? It's called ignoring the ignorant people. If you try to make it punishable, more people will do it, and there will be a huge revolt or something. Just ignore the ignorant.

[lord_carbo]

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Because complete and total ignorance that has the potential to poison the minds of the unwary just has no business being spread around.

But don't feel that people should be allowed to hear both sides of an argument and judge for themselves what's best?

Also, to the speaker spreading the racism, it isn't ignorance.

[devonin]

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But don't feel that people should be allowed to hear both sides of an argument and judge for themselves what's best?

Also, to the speaker spreading the racism, it isn't ignorance.

I don't feel that "The sky is green and the grass is made of lava" should get equal time or be considered "the other side" of anything. Some things are simply ignorant and incorrect.

[lord_carbo]

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Who says they'd get equal time? There are far more people who are against racism than for it. In any real situation, you'll hear more comments for it than against it, especially if you yourself become such a racist.

And there is certainly another side. It may be ignorant. But it is not objectively "incorrect." It's an opinion, no matter how unfavorable it is, and it certainly has another side.

People are incorrect all the time. Why punish only certain people who are incorrect and ignorant?

[lord_carbo]

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racism being punishable by law as hate speech....

Pretty sure Your a Joke bro

It's a good idea to stay a bit more open-minded than that. Or at least pretend to be more open minded, heh.

[devonin]

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But it is not objectively "incorrect."

I disagree. There are absolutely no valid bases (basises?) for racist thought. It is simply wrong by every standard of science, reason and logic. Do you seriously think there are any even remotely compelling supports for the concept that certain races of human are intrinsically -better- or -worse- than other ones?

[lord_carbo]

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I disagree. There are absolutely no valid bases (basises?) for racist thought. It is simply wrong by every standard of science, reason and logic. Do you seriously think there are any even remotely compelling supports for the concept that certain races of human are intrinsically -better- or -worse- than other ones?

What I believe to be compelling support is irrelevant because it could be support enough for somebody else. I am absolutely convinced that people who are socialists are wrong and have absolutely no valid defense for opposing capitalism. And I believe what they say to be harmful.

So what's the basis of punishing people for saying something if they are wrong? Why only punish people who say certain wrong things?

[devonin]

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So what's the basis of punishing people for saying something if they are wrong? Why only punish people who say certain wrong things?

Because the reasons for being a socialist, to many capitalists, are merely naive or perhaps even foolish. The reasons for being a racist are objectively, unequivocablly ignorant and wrong. Please provide a compelling list of reasons why you could argue that white people are superior to black people say. Like, objectively -better- as beings solely because of their race.

[lord_carbo]

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Because the reasons for being a socialist, to many capitalists, are merely naive or perhaps even foolish. The reasons for being a racist are objectively, unequivocablly ignorant and wrong.

I'd consider socialists "objectively wrong" as well as "naive." And I'd say the same for racists. If we're going to start punishing some people who are wrong, why not go all the way? I don't see any reason why one should get special treatment.

Relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

[ballaw hare]

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Because the reasons for being a socialist, to many capitalists, are merely naive or perhaps even foolish. The reasons for being a racist are objectively, unequivocablly ignorant and wrong. Please provide a compelling list of reasons why you could argue that white people are superior to black people say. Like, objectively -better- as beings solely because of their race.

Because right and wrong are subjective and are decided by the majority.

[Zythus]

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I disagree. There are absolutely no valid bases (basises?) for racist thought. It is simply wrong by every standard of science, reason and logic. Do you seriously think there are any even remotely compelling supports for the concept that certain races of human are intrinsically -better- or -worse- than other ones?

You are talking too specifically here. Racism can, but not always be, about superiority. Racism and discrimination is heavily based on stereotypes. When talking about stereotypical racism, it is, or can be to a certain degree, valid. Outrageous to the point where is it "vehemently opposed"? I think not. Stereotypes come from and roots from facts and generalities about a particular race. Most of the time, it is exaggerated and hyperbolic, but nevertheless have the potential to contain an element of the truth. I can say "All Asians are good at math." (I'm going to use a good stereotype here, but you think of the bad ones.) which can be quite true, yet it doesn't account for the Asians who are not good at math (like me).
A example would be the plan for an African-only school here in Ontario, Canada. The school board was aware that only 40% of the African-Canadian students passed high school. Hence, they decided to construct such a school to aide solely African-Canadians, with some education of their heritage. This, to many people, was considered highly racist to both the African-Canadians, for their spotlight isolation, and for other races, for not being recognized or considered to be educated on their own heritage. What makes this valid to be taken into consideration is the measly 40% passing rate for African-Canadians. Of course, the anti-racism supporters won, but amazingly, it was a almost tied vote for and against.

[darkness1477]

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racism only causes problems since it is nothing but disrespect for certain races which pollutes the minds of the highly susceptiple populacewho then take those veiws to more extreme actions which does nothing but harm the nation as a whole and how is rascism not harmful?

[devonin]

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When people disagree over something, traditionally they have at least -some- vaguely valid reasons to support their belief.

[darkness1477]

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nothing a rascist could show you would be evidence rather it would e more a matter of opinoin