How can we solve our problem with China?

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Well im not trying to go to war im saying that couldn't another country ask the US to pay up?

You know, if you're going to ignore what other people are saying, we aren't going to get anywhere in a discussion.

Yes, another country could ask. They won't, for reasons I already outlined. Even if they -did- I already made my response to that to: "If the United States refuses to pay back any country that demands their money, what can that other country even do about it?

The US can be entirely economically self-sufficient if it wants to be/has to be, and Canada is -never- going to cut off trade ties with the US no matter what circumstances come up. Between the Canadian Natural Resources and the American Industrial Base, both countries could completely cease dealing with the rest of the world economically and still have everything they needed, so economic sanctions (which are pretty impossible anyway, I'd love to see whose navy volunteers to blockade the entire atlantic and pacific coasts of north america) woudln't do anything.

I'd argue that no country or group of countries could pose any kind of real threat to the American military in America (I've argued that a group of certain countries, if they had a few years to train and work together, could take the US in a striaght up fight on neutral ground, but nobody has both an army and navy capable of putting enough, good enough troops onto the continental United States to do anything to them) so a military response woudln't work either.

So again, I ask you: If some countries, X, demand that the United States repay their loans "Or else" and the United States says "Or else what?" I don't think there is a single response that those countries could make that would actually be an effective threat of consequences.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

I would agree with you that the US army could easily beat all others on the US soil. what if the country decides to missile us? it would be the Cuban missile crises all over again.

[Zythus]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

The thesis of Devonin's post was to show how self sufficent and powerful USA is. How powerful? even the U.N. could not stand up to their power. Hence, it is frankly absurd to suggest that another country would even dare to assault the US. First of all, they face total destruction. Secondly, if US doesn't like a country, chances are that their hatred would induce the minds of other countries to hate them as well.
Since you really can't cope with long and informative posts, heres it simple:

Why another country cannot missile the US:
-US army will destroy them. Period.
-US will get pissed, and if US is pissed, other countries would follow.

Heres an answer to the next possible question of yours:

Why would other countries follow?
Because US is the strongest power and their influence causes other countries to side with them, Against the missiling country.

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

I would agree with you that the US army could easily beat all others on the US soil. what if the country decides to missile us? it would be the Cuban missile crises all over again.

You seem to not know anything about the cuban missile crisis.

The number of countries who could successfully attack the United States from their own country with missiles is incredibly small. There is not one country who could strike remotely at the US -and- not be more easily retaliated against by the US.

The Cuban Missile Crisis centered around fears involving the potential for nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union. I think I am not being unreasonable to state even something this authoritative: No national entity will EVER fire a nuclear weapon at another one, ever again.

The obvious consequence of functionally the TOTAL END OF THE WORLD is so glaringly obvious to every world power with nuclear weapons that it will simply NEVER HAPPEN.

The only chance there will ever be a nuclear attack against anybody ever, will be at the hands of a non-governmental terrorist group who either doesn't care about the consequences, actively wants the consequences, or somehow managed to convince themselves that the consequences won't be that dire.

As for non-nuclear missiles, I think it is pretty safe to say that the US has one of the most sophisticated early-warning systems, one of the best surface-air missile systems, and easily the strongest navy and largest if not most well trained (That usually goes to Britain or Canada or Israel) air forces in the world. The American military and industrial base is so spread out over such a large area that any attack against America's response capability will simply fail, and only piss them off and cause them to ramp up the severity of their response.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

You seem to not know anything about the cuban missile crisis.

The number of countries who could successfully attack the United States from their own country with missiles is incredibly small. There is not one country who could strike remotely at the US -and- not be more easily retaliated against by the US.

The Cuban Missile Crisis centered around fears involving the potential for nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union. I think I am not being unreasonable to state even something this authoritative: No national entity will EVER fire a nuclear weapon at another one, ever again.

The obvious consequence of functionally the TOTAL END OF THE WORLD is so glaringly obvious to every world power with nuclear weapons that it will simply NEVER HAPPEN.

The only chance there will ever be a nuclear attack against anybody ever, will be at the hands of a non-governmental terrorist group who either doesn't care about the consequences, actively wants the consequences, or somehow managed to convince themselves that the consequences won't be that dire.

As for non-nuclear missiles, I think it is pretty safe to say that the US has one of the most sophisticated early-warning systems, one of the best surface-air missile systems, and easily the strongest navy and largest if not most well trained (That usually goes to Britain or Canada or Israel) air forces in the world. The American military and industrial base is so spread out over such a large area that any attack against America's response capability will simply fail, and only piss them off and cause them to ramp up the severity of their response.

I have to comment on this. (This source is from a teacher) India fired a missile into the sea to show another country like they are saying HA what now? This also causes alot of other problems with the UN. The main problem is that The US sows not want to take sides because the two country's in this incident were our buddies back in the day. Understand?

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Er...your comment failed to address a single solitary point in my post that you quoted. What exactly is the point of yours I'm supposed to understand now?

[DDRXTIIDX]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

He probably meant something along the lines of "intimidation of foreign countries that were allies back in at least (OVER 9000!!!!) 100 years ago".

The only chance there will ever be a nuclear attack against anybody ever, will be at the hands of a non-governmental terrorist group who either doesn't care about the consequences, actively wants the consequences, or somehow managed to convince themselves that the consequences won't be that dire.

And thus, never, ever again. Unless Osama bin Laden is reincarnated as "Obama bin Clinton" by unknown forces of blah.
I'm kidding. But I'm doubtful that smaller groups like the NPA would ever get their hands on nuclear weapons, so no threat from over here (over there?).

[esupin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Actually, I think nuclear war could still happen - by accident. Russia and the US still have weapons on hair-trigger alert pointed at each other. If both countries would just agree to disable them, it would take about a day to get the warhead back in the missile. That's much more time than we have now - Russia's missile detection system is getting old, and there were a few scares in the 1990s, one that involved a Norwegian weather satellite that was mistaken for a missile. Under the current system, the Russians hadminutes to decide whether or not they wanted to retaliate against the US.

Also, after the Soviet Union's collapse, their hold on a lot of nuclear stuff was weakened. That's not good!

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

He probably meant something along the lines of "intimidation of foreign countries that were allies back in at least (OVER 9000!!!!) 100 years ago".



And thus, never, ever again. Unless Osama bin Laden is reincarnated as "Obama bin Clinton" by unknown forces of blah.
I'm kidding. But I'm doubtful that smaller groups like the NPA would ever get their hands on nuclear weapons, so no threat from over here (over there?).

that is exactly what I meant. they are constantly provoking other country's. they are pretty much pissing Europe off. so if they don't stop it..............

[jackal0949]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

2 words america...bake sale!

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Four words jackal: Get out of CT.

That is, until you've actually read the forum's rules and have the intention of actually following them. This isn't chit-chat, one-liners that add nothing to the discussion are simply not allowed here.

they are pretty much pissing Europe off. so if they don't stop it..............

Let me try this AGAIN, this time maybe you'll actually answer me when I ask a direct question in response to something you posted:

So if they don't stop it.......what?

What are the consequences you envision from "pissing off Europe" what is "Europe" going to do to the US?

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

i would say that if they continue to piss off the wrong kind of people they could soon find (20 or so years later) Europe are their door knocking in. If they continue "provoking people".

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

So you're suggesting a "european" invasion of the United States?

Led by whom? Using whose army, whose navy, whose air force? How are they planning on crossing the atlantic without getting -smashed into bits- by American missile attacks, and the vastly superior American navy?

The American navy by weight is larger than the next SEVENTEEN largest navies in the world put together. The UK, Italy, Spain and France are the only european powers that have aircraft carriers. They combine to have 5 active and 5 under construction. The US has -11- active and 2 more under construction. The US has such sophisticated and extensive AWACS system that 2 carriers are generally enough to cover an ocean the size of the Atlantic. Move eleven into there, and absolutely nothing is getting through.

Then the USAF has something on the order of 4,000+ aircraft. Considering that at the bottom of the top 5 is India with 850ish (After such non-european notables as China and the Russian Federation [unless you want to group Russia as being european rather than asia, or eurasian, in which case I suppose the numbers are a little more close to reasonable]), I somehow doubt the conbined air forces of all of Europe would be able to do much to top 4000 either.

And all of this assumes that somehow, "Europe" as a whole entity decides to band together and launch a full-scale military invasion of the United States.

I'm curious how exactly you think that could ever possibly come about.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

He probably meant something along the lines of "intimidation of foreign countries that were allies back in at least (OVER 9000!!!!) 100 years ago".



And thus, never, ever again. Unless Osama bin Laden is reincarnated as "Obama bin Clinton" by unknown forces of blah.
I'm kidding. But I'm doubtful that smaller groups like the NPA would ever get their hands on nuclear weapons, so no threat from over here (over there?).

i meant that Europe could go to war with India.

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Lego, around here we respond to direct questions from other posters about the things we say.