How can we solve our problem with China?

[flamingspinach]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Fair enough. My bad.

As for the topic of discussion, if it's really in bonds, then there's even less reason (or opportunity) for them to "cash in" whenever they please, you're right. I haven't researched the particular topic, so I'm not sure of the specifics. However my point was just that due to the precarious nature of international relations, similar to the precarious nature of the stock market, sudden shifts in the money market are unlikely at best, as anyone trying to cause an upset would need some really good physical basis for their actions (a fundamental change in the underlying reality behind the market, such as a major political upheaval, disaster, or what have you) otherwise everyone would lose.

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Well, and then once you factor in the influence of the IMF and the World Bank, you see even more stagnation in terms of the economic relations between individual countries, because they all have their money tied up in those organizations which serves to make it even more difficult to go and do anything drastic in terms of your fiscal situation.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

um... what. i dnt get any of that but i do agree that if china does make us pay up then the dollar would crumble. this would in effect kill our economy. INVASION TIME!!!

[nev670]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

China has like a HUGE population and if they go to war with any country, they will use all their men from specific ages to go to war. That country will most probably get owned. . .

[Zythus]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Not true. WW2. China had more than 7 times the population against Japan. The ceasefire only came when Nagasaki was smoked by the US. Britain, US, and China the forced the Japanese to surrender.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Not true. WW2. China had more than 7 times the population against Japan. The ceasefire only came when Nagasaki was smoked by the US. Britain, US, and China the forced the Japanese to surrender.

who were you talking to?

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

um... what. i dnt get any of that but i do agree that if china does make us pay up then the dollar would crumble. this would in effect kill our economy. INVASION TIME!!!

Yes, you clearly didn't get any of the previous several posts, or you'd see that what they were saying is that China -can't- ask them to "pay up" and that they woudln't even if they could, so your entire scenario is irellevant.

China has like a HUGE population and if they go to war with any country, they will use all their men from specific ages to go to war. That country will most probably get owned. . .

Assuming that country is directly adjacent to China by land only. China has nowhere near the infrastructure to move that kind of manpower across any body of water, and absolutely not an ocean. If they tried to invade anybody but a country they share a land border with, it would go very very badly. Also, numerical superiority is certainly handy, but Russia proved that if you haven't got the equipment to back it up, All you usually get with big numbers is a lot of dead people.

[nev670]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Yea, not quantity but quality as in weapon technology and firepower.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Yes, you clearly didn't get any of the previous several posts, or you'd see that what they were saying is that China -can't- ask them to "pay up" and that they woudln't even if they could, so your entire scenario is irellevant.

Assuming that country is directly adjacent to China by land only. China has nowhere near the infrastructure to move that kind of manpower across any body of water, and absolutely not an ocean. If they tried to invade anybody but a country they share a land border with, it would go very very badly. Also, numerical superiority is certainly handy, but Russia proved that if you haven't got the equipment to back it up, All you usually get with big numbers is a lot of dead people.

so you say that china can easily conquer the land it borders. so you could say that it could conquer asia if it wanted to. correct me if im wrong at this too.

[nev670]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

well, just for the fun of it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6HIavxnUHls&feature=related

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

so you say that china can easily conquer the land it borders. so you could say that it could conquer asia if it wanted to. correct me if im wrong at this too.

Okay. I'm saying that China only has the military capability to carry out a land war with any reasonable hope of success. I don't think there are any countries they could invade that wouldn't bring the wrath of most of the western world down on them however.

My point was "There is no way China could invade the US" not "China -could- invade some other country" because I don't think the Chinese government is moronic enough to try attacking anybody regardless.

[legoboy792]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

well think of it this way. if we have no economy. then our infrastructure will fall. we will be in huge debt. so we will owe China one. then as the economy gets even worse then they invade. I'm saying they will strike when we are weak.

[devonin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

Are you reading what we are saying? The economy will only "fail" if the country is driven bankrupt by being forced to repay loans to China. But China -can't- force them to repay bonds because that's not how bonds work, and they woudln't even if they could, thus, no collapse, thus no invasion.

[esupin]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

well think of it this way. if we have no economy. then our infrastructure will fall. we will be in huge debt. so we will owe China one. then as the economy gets even worse then they invade. I'm saying they will strike when we are weak.

Please stop thinking of real life as some sort of video game. China is not going to invade the US. Let's assume they did for some insane reason. 1: Forget the infrastructure - America's nuclear weapons are still there, and they are ready to fire. 2: How are they possibly going to occupy and control 300+ million people? 3: The rest of the Western world is just going to watch this happen? 4: Hmmm. There's the Pacific Ocean... they're going to need a lot of boats...



The "problem" with China is that they're going to overtake the US economically very soon. The country just has to adjust properly when that time comes. It's going to be tough.

[JonXia]

Re: How can we solve our problem with China?

well think of it this way. if we have no economy. then our infrastructure will fall. we will be in huge debt. so we will owe China one. then as the economy gets even worse then they invade. I'm saying they will strike when we are weak.

Dude, straight up you aren't making any new points. Lesee, Devonin is doing an amazing job disprocing any point you make without you trying to reasonably argue with him, or me for that matter, which is why I didn't post much in this.

F.Y.I. Zythus was talking to nev670 about WW2 and how China's population has very little to do with actual firepower. For instance, the Romans have won battles with less soldiers than the enemy and in some battles the death ratio roman/enemy was 1/10 where it took 10 enemies to die before 1 Roman did which prove that superior tactics and firepower defeat numbers. Research it, it's true.

um... what. i dnt get any of that but i do agree that if china does make us pay up then the dollar would crumble. this would in effect kill our economy. INVASION TIME!!!

1) China tries to make the US pay up. US declares they cannot make the payment, they won't pay. They cant pay. nothing happens.

2) YOUR ECONOMY WILL NOT DIE, the US will then start outsourcing to different countries and China will loose jobs, trading opportunities and then it's economy will fail.


That's it, unless something new and fresh happens or people start readign posts, I'm out.

Devonin says: I've removed a few lines of your post, watch the insults please.

Thanks Devonin my bad