which came first: chicken or egg?

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  • SpookG
    (For Great Justice!)
    FFR Music Producer
    • Dec 2002
    • 829

    #31
    ok, look..

    First off, let's clear the air and state a fact:
    All creatures are born from eggs.

    Fish came first, laid eggs in water. The comes Amphibians..They are different than fish because they need water only in order to reproduce, because their eggs are like fish, and need water to help fertilize and develope. Other than that, frogs live on land, right? So here comes this huge developement with Reptilia.. The amniotic egg, which has fluids inside and a thick shell to protect it in some cases, so that animals don't need water at all anymore in order to reproduce, meaning truly terrestial (land) creatures were born.

    Then Mammalia and Aves fork off reptiles, and chickens belong to Aves. They are descendents of reptiles, so they also are amniotes, and have amniotic eggs, like humans.

    Just think about this logically for a second here. It is impossible for a creature to exist before it has the capacity to be created, because things don't just begin in media res, it has to have a start point. If you look back into the evolution of species from the birth of a cell into humans today, there is an unbroken chain.

    Eggs came before chickens even came into being as a species, so I find it hard that there is any intelligent possibility for it to be otherwise. An explanation for a chicken becoming a species is it specialized, or got seperated geographically, and the gene pool changed over time, and thus the chicken became so different from what it was before it can be considered it's own species.

    Textbook example: Darwin's swallows.

    All originally the same species, but specialized on certain Galopagos islands to treat unique needs, like say ones with broader, larger beaks can crush shells more easily to get food. Those who can't die off, the gene pool changes, and once it can produce viable offspring that are incompatible with the previous species, new species is born. Just like that. It doesn't even have to take millions of years.

    Which in the end once again concludes the point, the egg came first, not the chicken.

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    • Master_of_PARANOiA
      FFR Player
      • Oct 2003
      • 1599

      #32
      it wasn't "fish" so to speak, but rather aquatic microorganisms, if you want to get technical
      Afrobean16 (8:58:05 PM): you're evil incarnate

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      • SpookG
        (For Great Justice!)
        FFR Music Producer
        • Dec 2002
        • 829

        #33
        aquatic microorganisms are invertebrates, which aren't pertinent to this discussion since it is about chickens, and hence were left out.

        however, the line : "If you look back into the evolution of species from the birth of a cell into humans today, there is an unbroken chain. " would include them in it, so i see no reason for you "to get technical" on me.

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        • Master_of_PARANOiA
          FFR Player
          • Oct 2003
          • 1599

          #34
          true, sry then
          Afrobean16 (8:58:05 PM): you're evil incarnate

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          • Thy_Dungeonman
            FFR Player
            • Jan 2004
            • 54

            #35
            As said before I believe evolution caused the chicken to be hatched from an egg. According to Charles Darwin's theories, evolution can take thousands of years and the different evolutions are caused by natural selection which means that If one creature is could at something, they will breed with another creature of the same species that has that same something. Over time their ancestors will develop a distinguishing feature for that special something... but I digress... What I mean to say is that some scientists believe that all birds evolved from dinosaurs. I am a strong believer in this theory... also the chickens we know today were actually evolved from a number of different "chickens" that live all over the world in such places as jungles... We can also stick with the theory that our fine feathered friends were once dinosaurs by the fact that their legs especially are covered in scales... hmmm... kinda makes you think...

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            • Thy_Dungeonman
              FFR Player
              • Jan 2004
              • 54

              #36
              It also appears I forgot to read pages 2 & 3 sry bout that...

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              • heyhey11
                FFR Player
                • Aug 2003
                • 403

                #37
                Umm just a thought

                Couldnt the chicken have muatated from something else and then slowly started reproducing by eggs
                Originally posted by 87x
                if some dude was hiding in the bushes trying to get a picture of me.. and i found him.. thats an invasion of privacy.. ima whoop his ass.. then sue him.. then have sex with his wife just out of spite

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                • Thy_Dungeonman
                  FFR Player
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 54

                  #38
                  mutate...? like genetic faults?

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                  • plasmix
                    FFR Player
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 3639

                    #39
                    This is why I hate rhetorical questions.

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                    • Master_of_PARANOiA
                      FFR Player
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 1599

                      #40
                      not rhetorical, but pointless, since it depends on your beliefs: evolution or religion.
                      providing that the question is "which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?"
                      if the question is "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" then the answer's 'egg'
                      Afrobean16 (8:58:05 PM): you're evil incarnate

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                      • DreamSDK
                        FFR Player
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 74

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Master_of_PARANOiA
                        lol

                        A needless one word reply in the critical thinking forum. Way to post-whore.
                        \"Eschew Obfuscation\". In another words, Avoid LEET SPEAK.

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                        • SpookG
                          (For Great Justice!)
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 829

                          #42
                          It isn't a pointless or rhetorical question, but people who think that aren't really reading.

                          The chicken egg had to come first, like I said previously, because if it didn't the adult chicken could never exist.

                          Apparently though, Master of Paranoia was too busy trying to "correct" my post to bother figuring out the point of what i was sayin, so I will recap for you all here.

                          Everything comes from eggs, therefore, for there to be an adult chicken, it had to come from a chicken egg. Before they were a seperate species, they still came from eggs. When they were evolving into chickens, they still came from eggs. So the first actual chickens came from chicken eggs, because the ones that came before had to lay the damn things.

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                          • heyhey11
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 403

                            #43
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
                            Yeah what he said

                            BIATCHS O_o
                            Originally posted by 87x
                            if some dude was hiding in the bushes trying to get a picture of me.. and i found him.. thats an invasion of privacy.. ima whoop his ass.. then sue him.. then have sex with his wife just out of spite

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                            • pixieboy175
                              FFR Player
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 22

                              #44
                              true but if evolution is made by the creature or the animal trying to survive i have to really start to evolve right about ....n...o...w.
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                              • VxDx
                                FFR Player
                                • May 2003
                                • 1871

                                #45
                                animals can't evolve. random mutations in a body cell are usually disposed of, sometimes we call them cancer if they get out of control.

                                Only eggs can be evolved from their parents, not after the child is already born.

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