Gay Churches?

[devonin]

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Holy context Batman.

Luke 14:25-33

25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:
26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
28 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it?
29For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him,
30saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'
31"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.
33In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

The extreme language seems clear to me: In order to be a true disciple, you must give up everything, and you must decide beforehand, whether you are able and willing to make that sacrifice. God is of paramount importance, next to all other things.

[drakethelegend]

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ive read that verse many times and have told many of my friends whose parents are drug addicts. what it means is that you have to be able to sacrifice all before god, yourself, your life, your whatever. but that shouldn't be a problem, because w/o god we wouldn't even exist? it's also saying that everybody wants to not like the person that has made that sacrifice, because it's a hard thing to do. we cling to our pride.

[Rubin0]

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There's this big book called "The Bible". Maybe you should familiarize yourself with it before criticizing a church's teachings which are based on the book.

If you just want to argue that you don't like the rule, this thread isn't the place for that.

--Guido

I went to Catholic school for fourteen years, and was a religious instructor for three years. I know a thing or two about the Bible. I no longer agree with a lot of things I was teaching people, and now choose not to associate myself with the Catholic church. I was just expressing my opinion. I don't see what the problem is. Don't assume me ignorant because I went a little off topic...

[Corbin Wells]

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The only thing I will never agree with is the fact that there are so many versions of the bible and so many branches of christianity. Whatever happened to just one message? What's with all of the different branches and what's the point of so many people trying to decipher the word of someone whom noone has ever seen or heard from and using the numerous versions of it as a base for deciding on what's right and wrong?

I love how there have been studies that have even show there are some homosexual relations in animals as well and that it was finally considered a NORMAL behavior and yet I can still be labeled as a "sinner" from a group of people who like to deny science and scientists, yeah you know, those people who actually work for an answer through discovery and observation? Yeah, those people? The ones with all the nifty gadgets?

[GuidoHunter]

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I love how there have been studies that have even show there are some homosexual relations in animals as well and that it was finally considered a NORMAL behavior and yet I can still be labeled as a "sinner" from a group of people who like to deny science and scientists, yeah you know, those people who actually work for an answer through discovery and observation? Yeah, those people? The ones with all the nifty gadgets?

First: define "normal".

Second: explain how having anal sex with another dude is "normal".

Third: understand that no matter your definition for "normal", that by no means removes a sinful nature from an act (emphasis on "act").

I'm pretty sure it's "normal" to be greedy, lustful, wrathful, avaricious, gluttonous, prideful, and slothful, but that doesn't make them okay.

Science has absolutely no say in what's sinful and what's not, so I don't see why you even bring them into it.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[L0NEvvolf]

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i honestly belive im gay i do not take pride in this i actually wish i wasnt but ive liked guys sence i was 7 and have never liked a girl not even really as a friend they annoy me for the mostpart there are obviously some acceptions but most girls i know i dislike. anyways ive been a christian all my life and have prayed about changing for a while i finnally gave up last year because i felt he wasnt hearing my prayers. i belive in sex after marraige and do wish to marry someday but i dn its been real hard for me. about 2 years ago i was suisidle because of it and attempted a few times. i really didnt want to die but i felt god had just thrown me off to the side to rot. i decided i had to learn and accept myself if i was ever to be happy. so now a year or too later dont feel like doing the math i am much happier i am still a heavy beliver in god and go to church but im gay i dont act girly i act like a normal teenage guy i just like guys. if i could i would really change but i dn if that will ever happen o well i also know my parents will have a very hard time to accept me as they dont know yet but o well

[GuidoHunter]

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Read the Critical Thinking rules before posting again with such abhorrent spelling and grammar.

Also: post on topic, since you didn't do anything but tell us about yourself.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[atalkingcow]

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First: define "normal".

Second: explain how having anal sex with another dude is "normal".

Third: understand that no matter your definition for "normal", that by no means removes a sinful nature from an act (emphasis on "act").

I'm pretty sure it's "normal" to be greedy, lustful, wrathful, avaricious, gluttonous, prideful, and slothful, but that doesn't make them okay.

Science has absolutely no say in what's sinful and what's not, so I don't see why you even bring them into it.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

I would just like to point out that one of the erogenous (sp?) zones on males is the prostate. The prostate, being located INSIDE the body, can really only be stimulated through anal play. If anal sex is not natural, and is so sinful and evil and all that jazz...why would God -DESIGN- human males this way?

As for you saying that science has absolutely no say in what's sinful and what's not.. Your only guide on the subject is a book that has been rewritten, remixed, and retranslated enough times that for all you know, it may have originally said it was sinful to go to church with wet hair.

~~Cow~~

[Rubin0]

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Second: explain how having anal sex with another dude is "normal".

I'm confused if this is just you trying to stay on topic by making a point or if you are just being crude and openly homophobic. I'm almost offended.

[L0NEvvolf]

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Read the Critical Thinking rules before posting again with such abhorrent spelling and grammar.

Also: post on topic, since you didn't do anything but tell us about yourself.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

well i dn if i agree with churches accepting gay ppl or not i dont have an opionion on the matter i belive being gay is a sin but i am gay so i dn im a very confused person as for the spelling i know im a terrible speller i dont try to be i just am and am trying to change that sorry i cant

[GuidoHunter]

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I would just like to point out that one of the erogenous (sp?) zones on males is the prostate. The prostate, being located INSIDE the body, can really only be stimulated through anal play. If anal sex is not natural, and is so sinful and evil and all that jazz...why would God -DESIGN- human males this way?

Why do men have nipples? Your argument isn't logical if you're suggesting that because prostate stimulation is sexually exciting God thus condones homosexuality. There's a GIANT gap in there that you just jumped across without considering.

Also recall that anal sex with a woman is sinful, too, so that's not just a concern of homosexuality.

The Bible is very clear on why homosexuality is sinful, regardless of how "normal" it might be (which, again, you'll be hard pressed to prove).

As for you saying that science has absolutely no say in what's sinful and what's not.. Your only guide on the subject is a book that has been rewritten, remixed, and retranslated enough times that for all you know, it may have originally said it was sinful to go to church with wet hair.

The Bible: "I deal exclusively with religious matters, and very much with what's virtuous and what's sinful. Churches and historians have kept meticulous records of my content and the writings over the seventeen hundred years of my existence will corroborate the legitimacy of what I say now."

Science: "By definition, we never deal with religious matters. Period. End of story."

I think my source is better.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[jewpinthethird]

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Why do men have nipples?

Because they are not sex linked traits and develop on a fetus before the sex hormones take effect in fetal development. But that's what science says.

I think the official Church explanation is: I don't know, God works in mysterious ways. It's best not to try to understand him and just accept him.

[GuidoHunter]

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It was a rhetorical question, jewp.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[L0NEvvolf]

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Ok doing my best to use proper spelling and gramer, correct me if im wrong. We are getting a bit off topic now. I have decided that i belive that christians are suposed to accept everyone. this means gay and straight people alike. So therefore even if that church does not permit gay marriage shouldnt the church accept gay people into the congrigation?

Is this better?

[Rubin0]

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The church basically says you can be a duck, but just don't quack or swim or anything else that is associated with being a duck.