Scientology

[WeissPraline]

Re: Scientology

You do realize that there is a church that worships satan right? I really dont think you could get 'scarier' than that.

I agree that the Church is nuts, but do you have any proof they worship Satan? From what I heard, they beleived that some being came from space, dropped people on our planet, nuked it, and the 'souls' stuck together, and are pretty pissed. (Again, I'm not Scientolgist, so I'm a bit sketchy; I think that's the general idea, anyways.

Though they want money, they seem to not talk about Christian dietys at all; sure that's not just something Christians say to scare people about Scientolgists?

They're still a crazy, money hungry cult, murderious cult though.

Though every major religion was at one time a cult, so, yeah. You never know. Scientology could very well be the next Christianity...if it makes people happy, then, good for them. I'd still never join it, though.

[devonin]

Re: Scientology

I agree that the Church is nuts, but do you have any proof they worship Satan?

He wasn't saying the church of scientology worships satan. He was pointing out "If you think scientology is scary, there is a church that worships satan, I find that even -more- scary" Reading->Comprehension

Though every major religion was at one time a cult

Going to have to disagree with you on that one, not on the grounds that I think there are religions that didn't start out as cults, but because drawing a distinction betwen them at all is fallacious.

'Cult' comes from the French culte, from Latin cultus which means "To care about, venerate or adore" and refers to all -kinds- of things that are, aren't or or not even associated with religions.

Religions are a -kind- of cult, linguistically. Just like health cults, cargo cults etc etc. Any time you are paying especial respect or veneration to some kind of something, that is technically cultish behavior (Cult of family even)

[WeissPraline]

Re: Scientology

My mistake. I read his post wrong. It's not that I didn't comprhend it, it's that I skipped over a word or two.

As for the cult thing, I'm not sure I understand why you disagree with me. I'm not saying religions are cult exculsive; I was saying that all major religions started off as a cult at one point and time.

[devonin]

Re: Scientology

My mistake. I read his post wrong. It's not that I didn't comprhend it, it's that I skipped over a word or two.

As for the cult thing, I'm not sure I understand why you disagree with me. I'm not saying religions are cult exculsive; I was saying that all major religions started off as a cult at one point and time.

Let me try again then:

Religions didn't start off as cults.
Religions are a subset of cults.

All religions are cults by defintion.
All organisations to which you belong to which you show any kind of deep veneration or respect are technically cults, or at least cultish. Heck, going by the miriam-webster defintion of the word, there are diet plans that are technically cultish.

Cult as a perjorative is a fairly recent meaning, because "religions" (From the latin 'religio' meaning 'supernatural constraint' [Ooh interesting, there are those who link this in turn to 'ligare' (to tie or bind)]) wanted a means to distinguish the accepted "proper" faiths from upstart new ones.

[WeissPraline]

Re: Scientology

"Religions are a subset of cults."

:P Oh. You could have just said that point blank, instead of sugar coating it; much easier for those who are still in school. =D

[devonin]

Re: Scientology

I guess using academic language is no good for people in school then? *grin*

[WeissPraline]

Re: Scientology

Oh, it is to an extent.

It's just the fact the way you word things confuses me at times. I'm a Freshman , so that may very will be why.

BUT. We're not here to discuss Weiss' proboblylowerthannormal intelect, we're here to discuss Scientology. =]

[fido123]

Re: Scientology

People should be able to study Scientology but if it violates the law in anyway their obviously getting exactly what they deserve. However through their legal team this isn't always correct but you can't shut down a religion without getting major political problems or terrorism.

Also Satanism is mostly some whiny goth kids trying to be cool or some warped desensitized state of mind. However I do believe in some of their principles such as "Man is the same as any other creature" (With superior intellect).

Also to some people such as frey-ant, there is no solid proof for religion and if you only believed in that you should think 'are only the laws of science true but all else is myth?' because many things are not 100% proven such as is Francium an element or merely a faintly possible substance? I can understand you guys not believing in things such as Adam and Eve (which I don't believe in myself) but the odds are in Religious favor that there was a higher power that created this world.

[WeissPraline]

Re: Scientology

People should be able to study Scientology but if it violates the law in anyway their obviously getting exactly what they deserve. However through their legal team this isn't always correct but you can't shut down a religion without getting major political problems or terrorism.

Also Satanism is mostly some whiny goth kids trying to be cool or some warped desensitized state of mind. However I do believe in some of their principles such as "Man is the same as any other creature" (With superior intellect).

Also to some people such as frey-ant, there is no solid proof for religion and if you only believed in that you should think 'are only the laws of science true but all else is myth?' because many things are not 100% proven such as is Francium an element or merely a faintly possible substance? I can understand you guys not believing in things such as Adam and Eve (which I don't believe in myself) but the odds are in Religious favor that there was a higher power that created this world.

I agree with just about every word you said.