Scientology

[theinsomniacnimrod]

Re: Scientology

Scientology is based almost entirely on untestable, provably false, and otherwise supernatural beliefs

Sounds like all religions if you ask me...

Haven't you guys seen the South Park on this?? I think that explains everything you need to know about it.

[sherbtail]

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Sounds like all religions if you ask me...

Haven't you guys seen the South Park on this?? I think that explains everything you need to know about it.

Thats what kilroy was getting at, in reply to...

"but i do believe more in the science side of things than from a religious view"

I just watched that YTMND video, they're scary people, apparently the IRS was basically blackmailed into classifying them as a religion and giving them tax breaks. It makes me mad

Does anyone have a link to the entire documentary? I'd like to watch it.

hmm maybe...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm

and then click on "watch now"...obviously :P
it might not work if you live in the states...

[Wlfwnd91]

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Wow, sounds a lot like many of the athiests i know...

Also, it does have teachings that represent some of the things Lucifer suggests.

Is that not unlike how Lucifer wanted unrelenting perfection giving glory to man over God, as well as not providing a means of repentence or explanation?

Guys this is a Scientology topic, try and stay with it alright? If you want to talk about Satanism and Lucifer and blah blah, then make another thread for it.

As for Scientology, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand with the topic. I haven't read any books or anything on Scientology from any points of view, so I'm really not going to pass any judgements til I do. However, from what I have scene and heard it seems like a cult that just wants to make money, and seems to be doing a pretty good job of it. I don't know how much of what is said is true, because as with just about every other religion, the people who hate it will try and lie and come up with rumors to destroy its credibility.

[silentwind2]

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that southpark was great

but seriously, anyone who actually buys scientology is an idiot.

but then to go with that argument, i was listening to the schnitt show on xm yesterday and went on to say that if religion wasn't brought into your life until you were 18, would you buy into it one bit? you wouldn't just be browsing the bookstore and then come across the Bible and be like, "o hey jimmy i think i just found the meaning of life." no, you'd toss it aside and look for something at least plausible.

to paraphrase

[Coolgamer]

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Wow, sounds a lot like many of the athiests i know...

WATCH IT.

Somebody wanted a link to the BBC video.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm

It's quite freaky. They stalk him, find him interviewing people and bring up things they did as teenagers, etc.

[flamingspinach]

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slipstrike0159, if you learn how to spell "atheist", maybe people will take you seriously. Then again you just claimed that satanism is worse than scientology :/

[slipstrike0159]

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First off, a simple typo of 2 letters in one word shouldnt make someone think less of anyone else.
Second, with the whole satanism thing i was just justifying my use of the religion in one of my first posts as grounds for saying there are religions that are just as crazy out there. I never said it was worse than scientology, i merely suggested that some of the ideas and basic foundation principles are pretty far out there.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

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Ok. I'll try my best to be in this without introducing my own crazy ideas about religion. The government only discourages religious practices that present a "clear and present danger" to the public. Scientology is very crazy I will admit, but I don't want to oppose their beliefs. I oppose every religion as much as I believe it because everything has a chance unless clearly proven wrong. As long as scientologists as a whole, are not trying to create a "clear and present danger", I don't see what problems people would have with giving the Church of Scientology tax breaks. However, the wikipedia facts given by aperson showing that the Church of Scientology wanted revenge on the publication The Scandal of Scientology and that the Church attempted to infiltrate the United States Government makes this idea questionable. I guess it is also questionable to say that if we give them tax breaks, some of the scientologits might just stop trying to be theives or crooks.

[Sir_Thomas]

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Wow, sounds a lot like many of the athiests i know...

Also, it does have teachings that represent some of the things Lucifer suggests.

Is that not unlike how Lucifer wanted unrelenting perfection giving glory to man over God, as well as not providing a means of repentence or explanation?

Wow, sounds a lot like many of the athiests i know...

Also, it does have teachings that represent some of the things Lucifer suggests.

Is that not unlike how Lucifer wanted unrelenting perfection giving glory to man over God, as well as not providing a means of repentence or explanation?

Wait... are you ****ing stupid? How does that sound like all athiests you know when athiests dont believe in ANY gods?
I really DO hope you know that.

To say some bull**** religion has something in common than with a group of people that in fact frowns down open religions with no logical or scientific explaination is ignorant.

[slipstrike0159]

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Wait... are you ****ing stupid? How does that sound like all athiests you know when athiests dont believe in ANY gods?
I really DO hope you know that.

To say some bull**** religion has something in common than with a group of people that in fact frowns down open religions with no logical or scientific explaination is ignorant.

WOW dumb***, try reading my quote again.

The Church of Satan draws its name from the mythological and cultural concepts of Satan. Satan stands as the central symbol for many different gods, including Ahriman, Loki, Set, Amon, and Belial, all seen as symbolic of the same ideals and archetype. The Church of Satan claims that every individual can be his or her own god and is responsible for his or her own destiny. (In their usage, "Satan" denotes a symbol and metaphor rather than a literal anthropomorphic deity.) People who follow this belief system are called "Satanists".

It doesnt say that they believe in any Gods, it describes how ideals of similar mythological Gods are the same in symbolism. Watch yourself next time you randomly through around the word ignorant. They are very similar in the fact that both of the two (atheism and the church of satan) have the concept that everything an individual does depends on him/herself with science being a major driving factor.

Also, learn to quote the right points you want to discuss. It will do you no good in an argument if you cant accurately show the faults in the other side. Unless of course you just love double quoting the same paragraph. =\

[FyRe-AnT]

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Thats what kilroy was getting at, in reply to...

"but i do believe more in the science side of things than from a religious view"

I just watched that YTMND video, they're scary people, apparently the IRS was basically blackmailed into classifying them as a religion and giving them tax breaks. It makes me mad



hmm maybe...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm

and then click on "watch now"...obviously :P
it might not work if you live in the states...

ok well scientology, along with all other organized religions, are retarded.....but let me explain , the way I see religion, is it is just another way to control man through his/hers own fears of eternal suffering for example (not all religions say this), I beleive there is a god but us as man cannot comprehend him, we have ideas but there is no 1 truth that we know of. also about the IRS, our whole government as a whole is corrupt, but that is for a whole nother thread lol

[GuidoHunter]

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Thomas and slipstrike: cool it. Last warning.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[frankiesmithra24]

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I think if you want to study scientology you have a right to. Just like if you want to study some odd religion.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

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I don't see much relevance in the other religions listed on this thread. I just kind of seem interested in the fact that Satanists believe that every individual can be his or her own god and is responsible for his or her own destiny. Perhaps that is true because even if people knew there was a heaven or hell or anything with evidence for everyone, no one is really inclined to do what's right or wrong. Even if there is a god, I still believe it's possible to oppose them such as the ideas expressed in God of War (not that I believe too much that anyone would be successful at this). This ideas kind of depend on what a Satanist defines as a god. I don't see what this has much to do with scientology except that they are both considered religions by various people. Aside from that, I also like FyRe-AnT's idea that "there is no 1 truth that we know of". To me, this means that as a whole, society doesn't know answers to questions like whether there are ghosts or very complex questions that seem to have no answer. When some religions are ignorant of the unknown, in fact, try might use this to their advantage to "control man through his/hers own fears of eternal suffering". I would like to point out that not every single religion wants to do this though. Please don't call Atheists people who worship a "bull**** religion". I believe that there is a possibility that a god might loathe people who call others believers of a "bull**** religion" because if this god represents what most of society believes is rightous, it should allow atheists and scientologists to live (if they have obeyed what is righteous) because they believed in possible ideas. Plus, the main issue as described by sherbtail is if scientologists should recieve tax-breaks like other recognized religions. All I know is that if the rest of the recognized religions are allowed for tax-breaks, it would only be fair to give tax-breaks to Scientologists. The only exeption I believe there should be to my idea is that if any of the recognized religions or Scientologists are trying to cause a "clear and present danger" to society, then they shouldn't receive tax-breaks at all. The reason being is that if certain religions are presenting a "clear and present danger" to society, they are not protected by the Constitution and shouldn't receive any money. To me, what really matters is that by using the Constitution as it is, there would be nothing to constitutionally object to by giving tax-breaks to Scientologists.

[Dc-xBluex]

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You do realize that there is a church that worships satan right? I really dont think you could get 'scarier' than that. In any case i think it would be a joke for it to actually be considered a religion, i see it somewhat like being athiest which is more like an absence of religion and just a general outlook rather than a teaching.

That is somewhat scary, but then you have to realize, some people dont believe Satan to be this evil, fallen angel or whatever.
Im agnostic, i think religion is bull**** and just a way to have control of society.