Paranormal Activity

[Manmademusic]

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[QUOTE=slipstrike0159;1445812][QUOTE=Manmademusic;1444578]
So unless you are ready to deal with the onslaught of people more than willing to use the ever popular ignorant card on you then you should probably keep quiet about it for a while.QUOTE]

If someone's gonna be stupid in the critical thinking forum, that's their problem. I don't give a darn what people think about it.

[VampyressKyttie]

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I have expierenced ghosts first hand and for me it's 100% real.

[Tps222]

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The main argument for paranormal to exist is either "Religion says so", or "I don't know enough therefore there has to be ghosts".

Neither of these are credible replies. Reach is probably the only one who posted anything of merit.

Personally, I do not believe in the paranormal. I've experienced things that many people would consider paranormal, but I'm a great skeptic, especially of myself. I'm easily able to guess and then prove as to why what I saw happen, happened. The biggest thing with most people is that they want ghosts and the such to exist, even at a subconscious level. Something within them wants to make them feel as if there is more to life then what is able, some mysterious and unexplainable thing. Once you get past this trick of the mind, it's a lot easier to understand things.

[Maid]

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I had some few weird experiences but after looking into it further. Those were nothing but mere illusions created by back drafts, my mind.

[Chrissi]

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I have expierenced ghosts first hand and for me it's 100% real.

I have no doubt that you 100% saw them, believed them, and feel that they are real.

However, please keep in mind that your perception, as a human, is inescapably flawed. We see things that aren't there EVERY DAY.

Just one example of the many that exist: you dream. Don't say "I don't dream" - everyone dreams. Some people just remember it easier than others. So anyway, you dream. While you are dreaming, these dreams often seem 100% real! I have experienced myself wondering, inside a dream, if the dream was real, and pinching myself and etc, trying to figure out if I'm actually dreaming. After all this, I determined that it was real. But I was dreaming! While I was dreaming, I was absolutely convinced that the situation I was in was real. But obviously, I woke up, and it wasn't real.

Another example: little kids often claim they can see monsters in their closet, or under their bed, when it's dark. When our brains don't have enough information to complete a picture, we fill it in with what we think is the most logical filler. Sometimes that "logical" filler isn't logical at all. Then we see monsters, or just things that otherwise aren't really there, in the dark.

We can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell things that aren't there. Just yesterday, I got a craving for chocolate chip cookies, and a few minutes later, I could SWEAR somebody was baking choc chip cookies. It smelled so real! I looked around and asked my housemates who was baking cookies, but there were no cookies to be seen and nothing was in the oven. It was just my imagination.

Another one: I'm afraid of spiders. If I've recently been freaked out by a spider, or am otherwise jumpy and concerned that there may be spiders around, I feel an abnormal number of "crawly" sensations on my skin, that I interpret as possibly made by a spider crawling across my body, and I swat at it. But of course, there's (usually) nothing there. I sure got that a lot when I was in residence, and I got a crawly sensation on my leg - I ignored it for awhile, like any other crawly sensation, but it persisted. After awhile, I looked down, and screamed - because there was actually a spider on my leg. For about a week after that, every crawly sensation on my body had me swatting at myself because I thought it was a spider.

My point is, just because you've seen something doesn't make it real. Not at all. Just because you are convinced of something doesn't make it real. I have more examples of how our perception is flawed but I think that's enough for now. If it comes up, I'll say a little about memory and how our memories can be ENTIRELY MADE UP even if we are convinced that they are correct.

[devonin]

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I have no doubt that you 100% saw them, believed them, and feel that they are real.

However, please keep in mind that your perception, as a human, is inescapably flawed. We see things that aren't there EVERY DAY.

I will point out that this same logic calls into doubt every mundane think we think we expierience in exactly the same way it calls into doubt paranormal and supernatural phenomena.

[OmegaVanity]

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I think this is what most of us, opposing this, are trying to say:

Science dismisses the presence of ghosts although no one knows the truth about the mystery that engulfs death. There have been many theories about ghosts, but people with their intimidating stories have always kept the topic alive.

Most of the time, ghosts are symbolic of the vibration in the environment and the sense of someone being next to you. This has been termed by many people as an apparition. There have been theories that state that human minds not only have the power to imagine dead people, but also can see them. This can be one of the reasons why ghosts seem to exist in human mind. Sometimes events involving gruesome deaths, prolonged tragic circumstances or premature deaths can leave a strong imprint in a person. There have been cases reported where people have claimed to see a scene of distress over and over again in the same spot; theologists term this the ‘energy of history.’

Humans have yet to find evidence of life after death, but paranormal stories are told to scare people.

[FaughtNWon]

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I'll keep this short and sweet, i belive that all occurences and claims of ghosts are 100% fake. I think it is nothing more than a myth or a stigma of society. After watching dozens of shows dedicated to ghost hunting or visiting haunted houses or whatever, if it was that easy to find ghosts to where they could make a 50 episode show about it. Than there wouldnt still be sceptics. I think its a huge load of bull. When you die, you simply dont exist anymore.

[devonin]

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Who says that ghosts -have- to be the "soul" of dead humans poking around being annoying?

Forget the concept of what a -ghost- is, and think instead about the concept of a ghost -sighting- Do you think there could be any possible explanation for seeing a ghostly apparition moving around, perhaps passing through walls and otherwise being incorporeal if we forget for a minute that it has to be a dead person's soul?

[FaughtNWon]

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1. Its a F***ing shadow
2. Stop being scared of the dark.
3.???
4. Profit

[devonin]

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If you carry that level of skepticism over to everything, you must have a very interesting life if people tell you things you haven't decided that you've personally confirmed.

I just find it funny that so many people can believe in things they have no first-hand proof of, as long as they are "mundane" things, but as soon as you bring up any topic slightly outside the bounds of "normality" it's all "No way man, it's all a hoax/trick/delusion"

[FaughtNWon]

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I dont carry a high level of scepticism, it just comes off that way. In all honesty if i could prove it to myself i would go out of my way to try. I just realy dont see it happening.

[devonin]

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One argues that you appear so steadfast in your refusal to accept it, that even if you saw it legitimately, you'd just convince yourself that it was a shadow, you being scared of the dark, ????, or profit *grin*

[RandomPscho]

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Yet if you are so open, you will see what you would like to see. Argument goes both way, devonin.

I remember when I was little, I could have sworn I saw Santa looking through the window. I believed it was actually Santa, solely because I believed in him. In actuality, it was just dark and nothing was there. I would think the same would happen with ghosts and the like.

[devonin]

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Yet if you are so open, you will see what you would like to see.

I'd argue that "It's completely impossible to be a ghost, must be my imagination" and "I just -know- it's a ghost, I know it!" are both equally close-minded. Open minded would be "I'm not going to simply assume what it is or is not, I'm going to make a reasoned conclusion based on evidence"