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  • duhh_
    FFR Player
    • Sep 2006
    • 429

    #1

    student vs professor

    Heres a truly interesting debate I found between a college student and his professor about God. Whats your guys take on it?

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    An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
    science has with God, The Almighty.

    He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

    Prof: So you believe in God?

    Student: Absolutely, sir.

    Prof: Is God good?

    Student: Sure.

    Prof: Is God all-powerful?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
    him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
    didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

    (Student is silent.)

    Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God
    good?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: Is Satan good?

    Student: No.

    Prof: Where does Satan come from?

    Student: From...God...

    Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
    Correct?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: So who created evil?

    (Student does not answer.)

    Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
    terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

    Student: Yes, sir.

    Prof: So, who created them?

    (Student has no answer.)

    Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
    the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

    Student: No, sir.

    Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

    Student: No, sir.

    Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your
    God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

    Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

    Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
    says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

    Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

    Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

    Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

    Prof: Yes.

    Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

    Prof: Yes.

    Student: No sir. There isn't.

    (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

    Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even
    more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat.
    But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below
    zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is
    no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the
    absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
    opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

    (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

    Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
    darkness?


    Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

    Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
    something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
    light....But if
    you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness,
    isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to
    make
    darkness darker, wouldn't you?

    Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

    Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

    Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

    Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
    there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are
    viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
    measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
    and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
    one.To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact
    that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the
    opposite of life: just the absence of it.

    Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they evolved from
    a monkey?

    Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
    course, I do.

    Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

    (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where
    the argument is going.)

    Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
    work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor,
    are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
    preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

    Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's
    brain?

    (The class breaks out into laughter.)

    Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain,
    felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So,
    according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
    protocol, science says that you have no brain,sir.

    With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

    (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
    unfathomable.)

    Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

    Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH. That is
    all that keeps things moving & alive.
    use small words when you talk **** about me, because you'll be eating them later

    Originally posted by Tokzic
    i hear there's this amazing new invention

    it's called google

    you take words that you want to know more about and you type them in and OH SHIT YOU GET INFORMATION
  • Afrobean
    Admiral in the Red Army
    • Dec 2003
    • 13262

    #2
    Re: student vs professor

    Originally posted by duhh_
    Heres a truly interesting debate I found between a college student and his professor about God. Whats your guys take on it?
    That religion obviously has no place in Critical Thinking.

    And neither does copy pastas.

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    • duhh_
      FFR Player
      • Sep 2006
      • 429

      #3
      Re: student vs professor

      1) who says its a copy paste? ( i assume you ment "paste" instead of "pasta")

      2) did you even read it?
      use small words when you talk **** about me, because you'll be eating them later

      Originally posted by Tokzic
      i hear there's this amazing new invention

      it's called google

      you take words that you want to know more about and you type them in and OH SHIT YOU GET INFORMATION

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      • TK_Bakonfat69
        FFR Player
        • May 2006
        • 42

        #4
        Re: student vs professor

        Damn if that student actually thought of that spot on, then I wanna give him a hand shake. I mean I don't believe in God, but that was an awesome argument.







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        • itmorr
          Custom User Title
          • Jun 2006
          • 1498

          #5
          Re: student vs professor

          I didn't read through it all, but doesn't that mean that if I don't attend class, then the absence of me should not be counted as an absence because they can't prove that I wasn't in class through the faith of others or something?




          Originally posted by jwcgator
          (12:31:27 AM) jwcgator2: I got it! I'll write an auto-procrastination program!
          (12:31:33 AM) jwcgator2: meh, i'll make it later

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          • Afrobean
            Admiral in the Red Army
            • Dec 2003
            • 13262

            #6
            Re: student vs professor

            ...

            First of all, it is definitely a copy paste.

            Second of all, yes I read it, and I thought it was deplorable at best. To suggest that the teacher hasn't a brain because it hasn't been seen is simply put the worst argument for anything I've ever heard. There exists evidence in the fact that EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER to be examined, has a brain. It is known that without a brain, a person would be unnable to live. Because of this, it is safe to assume that every living person has a brain. Now, as for God? There is no real evidence for his existence. The only "evidence" one could scrape together would be a combination of a very old book obviously written by a man, not a god, and feelings. Totally different subjects.

            And yeah, cold is the absence of heat, not a thing in and of itself, much like darkness is actually the absence of light. Just because the instructor had a brain fart in that instance doesn't mean anything.

            Third of all, I would wager that the whole thing is fiction.

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            • TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons
              Banned
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Oct 2005
              • 1048

              #7
              Re: student vs professor

              The argument against evolution is retarded and ignorant. We have more than substantial evidence and fossils from every stage of evolution back to australopithecus afarensis.

              The argument that the "same logic" suggests that the professor has no brain is ridiculously flawed because we know from actual knowledge of the human body that the brain exists in every human, and there is no hard evidence whatsoever of the existence of a God.
              And yeah, cold is the absence of heat, not a thing in and of itself, much like darkness is actually the absence of light. Just because the instructor had a brain fart in that instance doesn't mean anything.
              QFT. That was pretty much an attempt to make the argument sound stronger, by including something that is completely irrelevant and not even comparable at all. It can be only vaguely traced to the actual point, and only if you're stupidly biased.
              I would wager that the whole thing is fiction.
              Obviously.

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              • Kilgamayan
                Super Scooter Happy
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Feb 2003
                • 6583

                #8
                Re: student vs professor

                Both arguments are flawed; the student's for reasons already stated, and the professor's for assuming that higher powers are limited by earthly concepts and understandings.
                I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                • TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons
                  Banned
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1048

                  #9
                  Re: student vs professor

                  Originally posted by Kilgamayan
                  Both arguments are flawed; the student's for reasons already stated, and the professor's for assuming that higher powers are limited by earthly concepts and understandings.
                  I agree wholeheartedly.

                  The professor's argument was intentionally made retarded and closedminded.

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                  • Specforces
                    Yes
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 5028

                    #10
                    Re: student vs professor

                    A cherry cola read, entertaining, but there's nothing healthy there for me. It made me smile, but as it was already stated, both arguments are flawed. Rai, you're really spot on with your contention, but then again so is Kilga's point. You can't rule out the possibility of higher powers ever. The probability that they don't exist is very high, but the possibility is always there. You'll never know until you die I suppose.
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                    • Kilgamayan
                      Super Scooter Happy
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6583

                      #11
                      Re: student vs professor

                      Originally posted by TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons
                      The professor's argument was intentionally made retarded and closedminded.
                      I've noticed philosphy professors tend to be really good at that, since it's a great way to make a point.

                      My professor, for example, started with a reasonable moral base and used that base and a series of logical arguments to prove that women are useless if they're not pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. The best part was that no one in the class could figure out how to argue the point.
                      I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                      • Afrobean
                        Admiral in the Red Army
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 13262

                        #12
                        Re: student vs professor

                        Originally posted by Kilgamayan
                        Both arguments are flawed; the student's for reasons already stated, and the professor's for assuming that higher powers are limited by earthly concepts and understandings.
                        That's true, but as far as THIS WORLD (ie the real world-- things which are tangible) is concerned, any god might as well not exist since there is no way to sense it and there is no evidence for it which can't be postulated in another direction using logic.

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                        • TK_Bakonfat69
                          FFR Player
                          • May 2006
                          • 42

                          #13
                          Re: student vs professor

                          Dude I agree totally with what you said. I mean, it is so easy to tell that it was kind of one sided to the student in this thing because he gives so much evidence and makes the professor looks like a dumbass. The story itself (I guess it is a story) is good I think, the point it tries to convey is very one sided.

                          The professor was talking about tangible evidence whilst (yay I used the word whilst, I hope I used it right) the student was talking about intangible evidence.

                          Also, in case you guys didn't know, having these discussions will not change anyones mind. (or at least you won't know it because they will act like the still believe in their ides)
                          Last edited by TK_Bakonfat69; 09-20-2006, 10:53 AM.







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                          • TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons
                            Banned
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 1048

                            #14
                            Re: student vs professor

                            Originally posted by Specforces
                            A cherry cola read, entertaining, but there's nothing healthy there for me. It made me smile, but as it was already stated, both arguments are flawed. Rai, you're really spot on with your contention, but then again so is Kilga's point. You can't rule out the possibility of higher powers ever. The probability that they don't exist is very high, but the possibility is always there. You'll never know until you die I suppose.
                            I agree, and I never meant to say that there's no higher power. I simply disagree with the manmade assumptions about higher powers.

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                            • JurseyRider734
                              lil j the bad b-word
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 7506

                              #15
                              Re: student vs professor

                              I hardly took it seriously to begin with because I read it on Myspace or something like two months ago. But I agree how both sides are flawed.
                              Originally posted by Arch0wl
                              I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

                              Originally posted by Afrobean
                              Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
                              the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
                              Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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