Kill Yourself

[banditcom]

RE: Kill Yourself

Eskimos often commit suicide when they're older and consuming without producing. It's called altruistic suicide, meaning you take your life with the hope of benefiting others.

It makes sense.

[FlashStinger]

RE: Kill Yourself

And does having a family and providing jobs make you more of a person than the average homeless person? How are they different unless you include prejudice? Have you sat down and talked to the homeless man on how he got there? He may have been layed off an unable to find a job elsewhere, and the company that layed him off might be a company you supported finiacially. In turn, you made him homless. Are you not responsible for his life as it is now then?

[dAnceguy117]

RE: Kill Yourself

Interesting topic. I wanted to say, though, how far would you let this go?

Sure, you could say that a homeless person like that doesn't contribute to society and takes from it, so their lives should be ended. But then what about the elderly people? They can't contribute too much, we'd be better off without them, right?

But wait. Why not just get rid of the ones who don't contribute as much? That's less people to provide for, and enough contribution from the others. But how far could this go?

I think my mind was kinda screwed up on this post, it kinda sounds like doing that is like being Hitler. But I think you get the idea I was trying to get across.

[flippinIDIOT727]

That ain't right, man!!! That's really sad that you're giving people that idea. You're dumb, it's not like the homeless people are gonna read that. They don't have computer access... unless they go to the library, but they don't. I think you should jump in front of a subway! Gosh. What porpose to society do you serve? Yeah, that's what i thought. It's not their faults they're homeless! I really doubt they want to be. Don't be a retard and tell people that. You can just go to hell!

[User6773]

My simple take on the situation is:

Who are you to judge the worth of another human being? Maybe, in someone else's eyes, or to someone else's standards, you are worthless because you don't do X.

We have to hold by the belief that all humans are equal if we want a functioning society. You'll notice that most problems in our society are caused when people don't believe that.

[blahblah18]

Well that's why I didn't want to advocate government forcibly killing our Mr. X, but rather I wanted to debate if Mr. X should feel any moral obligation to kill himself. Its basically just trying to say, is there ever a situation where suicide is morally acceptable

[The_Q]

Suicide in the name of those you love is admirable. If it is made in an effort to help them, people adore such martyrdom. We have celebrated many a hero who has sacrificed himself for the common good. The Catholic church does this all the time.

Sadly, it isn't entirely true. Even the homeless have quite a bit of worth. I value them quite highly as potential cheap labor. Just pick a few hobos of the street and bam, you've got some muscle. Some find homeless good for entertainment, whether it be the entertainment they willingly provide or the entertainment some sickos get by harming them. In any case, just because their value doesn't lie in finances doesn't mean it isn't there. After all, economics is not about money.

Again, this sort of suicide is very much praised. Ever hear of the battle at Thermopylae? Britain's "God Save the Queen!" and what not inspired their soldiers to run into the front lines and commit suicide, taking out many an enemy with them. Rationally, though, they did this because it served their purpose ("Maybe people will remember me..."). In general, people won't commit self sacrifice unless there is personal gain involved. In this situation, the loss is the person's life. I don't know about you, but people in general like the living. He'd probably not kill himself and continue trying to survive. In other words, you certainly may have an obligation but that doesn't mean that it is a completely rational decision. Let's all have a yell for Nash and move on.

In any case, I did get a grin out of your Modest Proposal. I hope you weren't being serious.

Q

[blahblah18]

Of course not, and its not even like should it be done... its more that can justify his suicide being morally feasable.

And by the way, since you referenced it yourself, Jonathan Swift is a genius, I couldn't agree more with him

[psychic25]

It's not their fault they're homeless! I really doubt they want to be.

If they really didn't want to be homeless, that means that they are probably working to get a job and have a home again, right? These hard workers do exist, but they are not the kinds of people being discussed in this topic. This is about the people who are NOT actively seeking to better their lives. Rather, they simply leech off of society and don't even TRY to contribute. (At least I assume so)

Probably, one of the things that hold people back in killing the poor (or the poor killing themselves) is their potential worth. That homeless person may one day invent something that will revolutionize the world, and if they kill themselves, they won't have gotten the chance to do anything. That's why suicide is so sad- who knows what good they could have done, had they lived.

It depends on how much potential that homeless person has. If that person tries hard to make a better life for themselves, then they shouldn't kill themselves, because they have the potential to do more. Really, even the basest person has the potential to do something. Say they're sitting on a street corner when a car comes rushing down the street, with a child in front of it. Our Mr. X pushes the child out of the way, and saves it. He has potential, just like anybody else, and if he had committed suicide earlier, the child would have died.

Yes, I know this sounds like a bad idea- keeping someone alive for what they MIGHT do, but I do feel that's a big part of why people are against this, from a moral (philosophical?) standpoint.

[Squeek]

If you're of no use to society you should leave the world.

This is obvious. In EVERY instance, if you detract from society moreso than you benefit, you should be removed from society. Removal could mean anything. Killing the weak link is just the easiest way to do it. We could exile them, but we've learned from history that it sometimes doesn't work out like we want it to (Hello Australia).

~Squeek

[hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX]

One who is poor, homeless, and perhaps even starving is not always sitting around waiting for society to take care of them. Think about it. If someone didn't have food or a home to live in, but had the ability to get a job so that they could finally support themself and possibly their family, would they be still sitting around the streets begging for money? It's true that some dumbfucks will, but the majority of these people won't. The issue isn't always "Homeless people not doing anything for society." but more often "Homeless people not CAPABLE of doing anything for society." How can you expect them to contribute, when they aren't yet able to support themselves?

Just a thought...

[Loverofstories]

well thats not the american ways, i dont remember where in the american writings (constitution, amendments, i dont know not sure) but they will always help you live and no one deserves to starve and its against the law to kill yourself

[Meteor858]

but isnt the law of NO SUICIDE just a cause for people to do it well?

[hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX]

but they will always help you live and no one deserves to starve and its against the law to kill yourself

Exactly, another good point. Law is made by majority vote. If the majority agreed that these people do infact deserve to die, the law of not being allowed to commit suicide UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES wouldn't be in place.

[unholyz]

I think it still goes back to the morals. IF you feel that bad and there is no other way to get out of it then, back in an alley away from people, you could commit suicide. But if you think that you could have a fighting chance and being more than worthless then it would be best advised not to kill yourself. I think its more up to the person if they would want to do it or not.