Times have changed.

[User6773]

1+2 = 5649

I'm correct, because I believe this to be true. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or what is actually correct, just as long as it's good enough for me it's socially acceptable. You shouldn't discredit me for believing this to be true - it's my own belief and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. You say 1+2=3, so both of us are equally correct because we disagree and both of our beliefs are acceptable. Just because your belief is accepted by almost everyone else doesn't mean you're correct. I'm correct too.

[Kilgamayan]

Discrete Structures class, here we come.

I provided actual proof of my statement instead of just going "this is what I believe" because belief does not pertain to facts. You, on the other hand, provide no evidence of your "1 + 2 = 5649" statement. When discussing facts and the validity of those facts, one provides evidence to either prove a theory or disprove it.

Take the "Everyone's set of morality is acceptable" statement again. The standard method to prove a universal statement true is to take an unknown arbitrary element in the set created by the statement (in this case, "everyone"; in other cases, it could be "all odd numbers", "all days that begin with T", "all green fruits", and the like) So I take an arbitrary person X. This person has their own set of morals, even if it is an empty set (note that empty sets are still sets), and accepts them (as they would change them otherwise). Therefore, everyone's set of morality is acceptable on some unique level.

The standard method to prove a universal statement false is to find one counterexample. So please do so, as I fail to see one and thus wish to know where your logic is coming from.

On a side note: Have you realized you've become Mwerp with the ability to lock topics? I dare say that makes you worse than him, since if you were to lose an argument you could say "No, I'm right" and then lock said topic, and if the person creates another topic that proves you wrong again you can edit it to something degrading and lock it again on the grounds that they are not to argue with a moderator's decision (power trip!).

You may be really eager to lock this topic too (although obviously I can't say for sure), but you may not have to worry because, frankly, I'm sick of arguing with you and your Mwerpish "I'm always right" attitude. Depending on what your response to this is, I may just ditch the subject entirely and go do something worthwhile, because I am not accomplishing either of the two goals The Q defined as the point of debating in this forum.

[CypherToorima]

@Kefit: I don't believe myself to me better than others. Maybe some =X, but not everyone.

I know I'm human. I know there are people who don't believe what I believe, and some that do. I'm not an arrogant asshole, like mwerp was, when he said he was smarter than everyone and all that othern jive. I know I'm not. Some people think better than I do. I can't always put what I am thinking into words. Some feelings you just can't explain.
And tell me, when is rape/whatever good? The only instance I can think of is of a masochist on the recieving end, because they enjoy it (and I'm not I would consider it rape anymore, but that's besides the point). More power to them. But in most instances, rape is bad. If a person doesn't want to have sex with you, what gives you the right to force yourself on them? Seriously. Don't give me this bullshit about "well, it's right in their mind" just to make yourself look open-minded. It's not fair for the a person just to get victimized because a rapist or whatever thinks what they are doing is right. That's stupid to think it is. Seriously. I don't care if you view me as closed minded about it. I don't think it's fair for someone to ever be victimized in a crime as serious as that. I mean, you say that I hold my morals at a higher regard, which it may have come off like that, but that's not what I meant. Of course, someone whos steals stuff may think it's not really bad. I do, but I'm not gonna freak out or something. If they think it's right, good for them. But with crimes that hurt an underserving family(And there isn't much you can do to deserve things like being killed, raped, whatever) is wrong. I will always, always believe that. I don't give a shit if that murderer or whatever thinks it's right. It just isn't. Since when could someone decide someone else's fate. It's stupid to think that you can. Call me arrogant or whatever else you want and you won't change my mind. I guess that's closed minded, but atleast I'm on the laws side

And about women. I agree, women don't need to be held at a higher regard. I very much agree with that. Very, very much. but there are crimes commited against women just because they are, and there are crimes comitted against just because they are. It happens, but it shouldn't. Of course, not all crimes comitted against a black or mexican or white person is a hate crime, but someare (I think I saw hate crime in there somewhere, so I decided to address it).


If I came off arrogant or whatever you thought I came off as, kefit, in my first post, I didn't mean to.

and I probably contradicted myself, but oh well. If you bring it up, I can explain it.

Edit: Sorta cleaned it up a bit

[Laharl]

Nothing about the opinions you hold is any more right or wrong than the opinions held by those who disagree with you.

THAT IS MY WHOLE ENTIRE POINT!

Go find me saying somewhere my way is better than any other way. Go do it. I dare you. If you find it, I'd sure like to know about it.

I was saying I don't belong in today's world anymore. I simply do not agree with the direction that civilization is headed. Because of my views, I'm often criminalized. In fact, just the other day, someone told me I was predjudice against all homosexual and bisexual people because I was saying I find the trend that the majority of girls 15 and 16 claim to be bisexual nowadays and it disturbs me. I don't recall saying I hate bisexual people. I recall saying I disagree with bisexuality, but I have no beef with anyone that does so.

I'm incredibly tired of how conservative people like myself are utterly hated and loathed by many liberal people for our views. I'm a rather laid back guy. I'm MY definition of open-minded: I've got my mind made up, but you can go ahead and do whatever you want and I won't judge you for it. Open-minded does not mean "having to have tried something before you can dog on it" as I've had so many... pleasant people put it.

I don't agree that the "lack of religion" has created a downfall in morality, since some religions committed some horrific crimes of humanity. The concept of religion is fundamentally flawed (in most aspects).

How so? Fundamentally, it's rather sound. It's in practice where it often fails. Usually, it's this one concept that doesn't end up working correctly: "love thy neighbor as ye love thyself". Jesus, afterall, said "Let he who is perfect cast the first stone".

People tend to get caught up in trying to feel superior to everything else. It's just a facet of human nature, we all want to feel powerful. Everytime in history religions have "failed" comes from them forgetting basic precepts of their own design.

[Squeek]

Whole entire = redundant.

Chardish, there's a difference between making a mathematical assumption and a logical assumption. I can't say 2+2 = 5 (Even though I have a shirt that agrees with me) and get away with it. It's common knowledge that 2+2 is AND ALWAYS IS 4.

~Squeek

[User6773]

Chardish, there's a difference between making a mathematical assumption and a logical assumption. I can't say 2+2 = 5 (Even though I have a shirt that agrees with me) and get away with it. It's common knowledge that 2+2 is AND ALWAYS IS 4.

Only that's because what you've been taught your whole life by oppressive teachers who won't let you think for yourself. FORM YOUR OWN BELIEFS!

And Kilga, the ONLY topic I locked was the atheism thread because thet was a nonsensical rant on Aedak's part against Christianity.

[Aedak]

And Kilga, the ONLY topic I locked was the atheism thread because thet was a nonsensical rant on Aedak's part against Christianity.

And you edited out a page and a half of good argument of mine. Good job Childish! Attempt to keep yourself from looking ignorant when I show you evolution has been observed and proven (while Creationism hasn't) and you edit my argument out.

[flypie743]

Good job Childish!

You spelled his name wrong.

[Aedak]

Good job Childish!

You spelled his name wrong.

That's his new nickname, as I specified in the post he edited of mine.

[DracIV]

I'm fairly certain I am going to mirror your speech pattern in a non-mocking form of response.

I believe everyone is to be respected and Chivalry upheld. Chivalry earns you respect.

I believe life is sacred, as do a huge portion of the world, but the question of when life begins and whether a more advanced (in time) life is worth sacrificing for a younger potential life has become a major problem.

I believe in being honest in all I do. Fools and the ignorant believe that only the self matters and the improvement for one means the loss for another. Perhaps someone should introduce them to Reality and the "Game Theory" of mathematics. Reality says the other people around you effect you and matter, Game Theory says that all players can improve to a certain point before one must lose some for another to gain, and that point is most definately not reached in Reality, only perceived.

Morality has not fallen, although I agree the truest path has become vague. I've written entire essays on why the path has become vague, but the simplest reason is that there are now so many more paths to choose from and so many more acceptable paths to others that no true path remains and only approximates choices are left. It's easy to become lost, but that's why there are guides in life who come back to help you onto the right path.

[QreepyBORIS]

1+2 = 5649

I'm correct, because I believe this to be true. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or what is actually correct, just as long as it's good enough for me it's socially acceptable.

Oh, shit,you divided by zero!


You said "I am correct...It doesn't matter...what is actually correct."

Wait, did you just contradict yourself?

[Anticrombie0909]

My morals are that I feel it is morally incorrect to have morals.

Heyyy...

[jewpinthethird]

I agree with Laharl. Very very very much.

But...times change, people change.
In all honesty, I believe there are two major things responsible for the decline of morals.
Technology and lack of relegion.

I love technology, and I am not religious, however I do believe women are to be respected. Women, after all, are the givers of life. However, I also believe it is a women's right to choose, not some Congress person in Washington DC.

Just because I dont believe in a God, that doesnt mean I am a bad person.

[Aedak]

I love technology, and I am not religious, however I do believe women are to be respected. Women, after all, are the givers of life. However, I also believe it is a women's right to choose, not some Congress person in Washington DC.

Just because I dont believe in a God, that doesnt mean I am a bad person.

Very much agreed, I concur.

[JurseyRider734]

Let's look at the amount of men who respect women that HAVE wives or girlfriends....


Not look at the ones who don't.


HMMM....I SENSE A PATTERN :O