school funds going down

[AniamL]

Not quite sure how this happened but I managed to double post 45 minutes later... oh well, sorry.

[AniamL]

Oh well, school sucks anyways, getting good grades in school isnt even a measure of smart you are anymore, its a measure of how obedient you are.

I actually agree. Though I was consistently the smartest person in my small school until 9th grade (just trying to prove a point, I'm anything but an egotist), I got average (B, B+) grades, because I would do approximately 10 minutes of homework per night, yet ace all my tests. The kids that got the best grades were always hard-working but average. These same kids have already been accepted to some of the more prestigious colleges in the country, not because of their intelligence, but because of their work ethic and determination. Now that I'm at a school with my intellectual peers, it forces me to be organized, hard-working, and disciplined (in all but math and science, anyway), but such virtues don't come natural to me because I've never had to work in school in my life.

[LostUserName]

Ive always done well on "thinking" tests (the kind where you solve a problem) but I do poorly on "memory" tests (like history or anatomy). Point is, am I stupid or am I smart?

[The_Q]

Again, these are examples of stupidity and intelligence.
Like I said before, school is like natural selection on steroids. Those who have natural ability excel, those who dont...don't. That all depends on natural ability. I'm a bit like AnimaL but I get more homework in. I get A's and suck in one class a year. Why? I'm gifted with semi-organization skills and what I consider to be great intellect. Then again, I seem to have an ego the size of Rhode Island.

To answer you question, NEO, yes. Just yes. You have the natural ability in one thing, the intelligence for it, and jack squat on the other.

Q

[LostUserName]

NEO? I assume you got me confused with NonExistantOne?

[AlbinoLime]

OK!

Oh well, school sucks anyways, getting good grades in school isnt even a measure of smart you are anymore, its a measure of how obidient you are.

That's just an excuse you use to be lazy in school, isn't it? Only the smart students will realize that they need to pass the classes they take so they can get out of the school system as fast as they can.

I think its dumb how sports players get paid millions of dollars a year and then teachers get paid $35,000 a year. What is the world coming to? The teachers are the ones who have an affect of the future, by teaching us students. Not that the athletes aren't important, but still millions of dollars for playing a season of ______.

Dude, think about this for a sec. If somebody likes to watch people play a sport or act, they will pay to see it. Lets say you wanted to go see a baseball game, and you think that $50 is a good deal for average seats, you would probably pay the $50 right? But you forget that there are also 10,000 other people who will do the same thing, that's $500,000 in one night the stadium will make. Sure that's a low ammount of money compared to the ammount some of the players get paid, but that example would probably be what you would get for a lower-skilled team. If you took the ticket prices for maybe the yankees, it would be higher. Currently the best seats still available for an upcomming game are $45 (the ticket price goes all the way up to $95, but those are already taken), add the $5.15 convenience fee, and the optional 3-day UPS delivery (14.50), you get a total of $64.65, since the yankee staduim seats about 57,546 people. If it were a fully occupied game the staduim would rake in about $2,589,570 (I didn't include the mail fee or the convenience fee in the calculation because not everybody buys tickets online). And since the yankees plan to play 81 games this year, the staduim will make $209,755,170 in one season (this is only an estimate since there are different seat prices and not all games will be full). So who is going to sit there and pay to watch a teacher teach? Many people will pay for an education, but they are not paying the teacher directly, the money gets split up in so many different ways that the teacher only gets a small cut of it, considering there can be many teachers in the school and each one of them get paid aroung $35,000.

The true cost of schools that hurts them most is textbooks. The textbook companies have INSANE prices and are just wracking the schools for every cent they have. When my father went to college, $250 a quarter was a huge price and one he could barely afford, when I went to college, $250 was less than I paid for textbooks. It costs schools millions upon millions to buy so many textbooks at the insane prices that are asked, and so other parts of the school lack funding.

You did buy the books from the college, right? You think that the college itself isnt making a profit from all this? The college book department is like a store, they buy thier books in bulk (cheaper that way), then they raise the price so they can make a profit off of you. In some colleges there is even the option of trading in your books that you don't need anymore so you can get a discount on your next purchase, and then the college just resells the used book for only a small percentage less than the price of the new book. So the textbooks are not hurting the college, but the price of books might hurt the public schools.


I hope that cleared things up a bit, and if I am wrong about all this then please clear things up for me, k?

[flypie743]

Re: OK!

I think its dumb how sports players get paid millions of dollars a year and then teachers get paid $35,000 a year. What is the world coming to? The teachers are the ones who have an affect of the future, by teaching us students. Not that the athletes aren't important, but still millions of dollars for playing a season of ______.

Dude, think about this for a sec. If somebody likes to watch people play a sport or act, they will pay to see it. Lets say you wanted to go see a baseball game, and you think that $50 is a good deal for average seats, you would probably pay the $50 right? But you forget that there are also 10,000 other people who will do the same thing, that's $500,000 in one night the stadium will make. Sure that's a low ammount of money compared to the ammount some of the players get paid, but that example would probably be what you would get for a lower-skilled team. If you took the ticket prices for maybe the yankees, it would be higher. Currently the best seats still available for an upcomming game are $45 (the ticket price goes all the way up to $95, but those are already taken), add the $5.15 convenience fee, and the optional 3-day UPS delivery (14.50), you get a total of $64.65, since the yankee staduim seats about 57,546 people. If it were a fully occupied game the staduim would rake in about $2,589,570 (I didn't include the mail fee or the convenience fee in the calculation because not everybody buys tickets online). And since the yankees plan to play 81 games this year, the staduim will make $209,755,170 in one season (this is only an estimate since there are different seat prices and not all games will be full). So who is going to sit there and pay to watch a teacher teach? Many people will pay for an education, but they are not paying the teacher directly, the money gets split up in so many different ways that the teacher only gets a small cut of it, considering there can be many teachers in the school and each one of them get paid aroung $35,000.

I was using the fact that athletes and actors get paid a lot as an example of why teachers should be paid more. Yeah I see why athletes etc. get paid a lot but what do they do? They play a game...teachers on the other hand they give kids and education that will help them be a better person. So, I think teachers should be paid more for what they do.

[AlbinoLime]

Re: OK!

I think its dumb how sports players get paid millions of dollars a year and then teachers get paid $35,000 a year. What is the world coming to? The teachers are the ones who have an affect of the future, by teaching us students. Not that the athletes aren't important, but still millions of dollars for playing a season of ______.

Dude, think about this for a sec. If somebody likes to watch people play a sport or act, they will pay to see it. Lets say you wanted to go see a baseball game, and you think that $50 is a good deal for average seats, you would probably pay the $50 right? But you forget that there are also 10,000 other people who will do the same thing, that's $500,000 in one night the stadium will make. Sure that's a low ammount of money compared to the ammount some of the players get paid, but that example would probably be what you would get for a lower-skilled team. If you took the ticket prices for maybe the yankees, it would be higher. Currently the best seats still available for an upcomming game are $45 (the ticket price goes all the way up to $95, but those are already taken), add the $5.15 convenience fee, and the optional 3-day UPS delivery (14.50), you get a total of $64.65, since the yankee staduim seats about 57,546 people. If it were a fully occupied game the staduim would rake in about $2,589,570 (I didn't include the mail fee or the convenience fee in the calculation because not everybody buys tickets online). And since the yankees plan to play 81 games this year, the staduim will make $209,755,170 in one season (this is only an estimate since there are different seat prices and not all games will be full). So who is going to sit there and pay to watch a teacher teach? Many people will pay for an education, but they are not paying the teacher directly, the money gets split up in so many different ways that the teacher only gets a small cut of it, considering there can be many teachers in the school and each one of them get paid aroung $35,000.

I was using the fact that athletes and actors get paid a lot as an example of why teachers should be paid more. Yeah I see why athletes etc. get paid a lot but what do they do? They play a game...teachers on the other hand they give kids and education that will help them be a better person. So, I think teachers should be paid more for what they do.

It doesn't really matter what somebody does, it matters if somebody is willing to pay to see it happen. It's not education that people like to pay for, it's entertainment.

[virus-maker]

Oh well, school sucks anyways, getting good grades in school isnt even a measure of smart you are anymore, its a measure of how obidient you are.

That's just an excuse you use to be lazy in school, isn't it? Only the smart students will realize that they need to pass the classes they take so they can get out of the school system as fast as they can.

Your a fuckin dumbass, its the god damn truth. In mosts schools, homework isnt graded for if you did it right or not, its graded if you just did it and tried it. So if you did your homework, that means you could of benefited absolutely nothing from it and still get good grades. That means your dont have to actually think it through or solve anything, you could basically just write some bullshit and turn it in and get full credit, thats what i use to do when i was in 8th grade. So therefore, completing the work doesnt make you smart, the only reason you do it is because the teacher said so, so your getting a grade based on how obidient you are. And that doesnt just apply to homework, it applies to all work.

[AniamL]

Re: OK!

Oh well, school sucks anyways, getting good grades in school isnt even a measure of smart you are anymore, its a measure of how obidient you are.

That's just an excuse you use to be lazy in school, isn't it? Only the smart students will realize that they need to pass the classes they take so they can get out of the school system as fast as they can.

The smartest students have to try to fail in order to fail. I disagree for different reasons (and far less ardently) than virus-maker.

(If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?)

[LostUserName]

RE: Re: OK!

In college I never had homework, I just had tests. To pass the test you HAD to study though so homework became something that I had to create and finish by myself. I think the reason teachers dont care if you got it right or wrong (refering to homework) is because they are trying to prepare you for college.
Just a thought.

[The_Q]

RE: Re: OK!

Ok, so I mixed up the names. Sorry, LUN.

AlbinoLime, you do realize that most of the money a stadium generates is used to fix up the costs of hosting people there. This includes the staff, equipment, management, etc. You also forgot to count up several benefits including novelty items, food, and pay restrooms.

In general, I'm afraid all you did was list how much money a stadium can make in one year, hooked it to the amounts players make, and say there's a definate connection. There is a connection, but it's indirect and unimportant.
As I said before, such stars are not paid for their performance but for their rare talent. People do want to see the talent, but it's hard to see (only in stadiums that seat so many people, so stadiums profit off of players, not the other way around), therefore the prices of the viewing the players talent goes up. Same works for any other specially talented person that people want to see.

Teachers should not be paid these huge sums because there are too many of them. If the number of teachers dropped to a tiny amount, they'd all be paid more. Why shouldn't it change? Because I don't feel like giving up my economy to make someone who trains my children to jump through hoops to get more money than I do avoiding the hoop.

Q

[AlbinoLime]

AlbinoLime, you do realize that most of the money a stadium generates is used to fix up the costs of hosting people there. This includes the staff, equipment, management, etc. You also forgot to count up several benefits including novelty items, food, and pay restrooms.

In general, I'm afraid all you did was list how much money a stadium can make in one year, hooked it to the amounts players make, and say there's a definate connection. There is a connection, but it's indirect and unimportant.

It's not that i forgot to include the other items, it's just that I didn't want to do any more research on the subject. If you didn't notice, I also didn't include things like merchandise. So the calculations may have been a bad example, but it still shows why the athletes get paid more than teachers. Besides, did anybody stop to think how much a math teacher from a top-rated university gets paid? Probably a lot more than $30,000.

Your a fuckin dumbass, its the god damn truth. In mosts schools, homework isnt graded for if you did it right or not, its graded if you just did it and tried it. So if you did your homework, that means you could of benefited absolutely nothing from it and still get good grades. That means your dont have to actually think it through or solve anything, you could basically just write some bullshit and turn it in and get full credit, thats what i use to do when i was in 8th grade. So therefore, completing the work doesnt make you smart, the only reason you do it is because the teacher said so, so your getting a grade based on how obidient you are. And that doesnt just apply to homework, it applies to all work.

I am not the dumbass, just think about this for a second k?
In high school you will get credits for passing the classes you take, and you need credits to get out of there. If you get better grades in high school then you will be able to enroll in the higher-end colleges, you will also get the chance to qualify for more grants (which will save you money). In the end, the smart decision you would make would be getting as good as grades as you can, and taking all of the opportunities that you can. But with your attitude it sounds like you will always be poor and with the illusion that you are smart.

[virus-maker]

Did i say anything about college? No. I said that in school the only way to pass is if your obidient. College is different because you cant just write some bullshit and pass, you actually have to do the work properly and study and think. Oh yea i forgot to mention, you dont have to be smart to get good grades, like i said, you just have to be obidient.

[The_Q]

You can't write some bullshit to get into a good college either. It has to be the right hoops you jump through and even then it matters if you knock them down midjump.

AnimaL, I want to apologize right now because I hate doing this. I already mentioned merchendise and other franchisable items in my post (or at least I think I did. I haven't read it back in a while). Also, you explation only shows that stadiums make a lot of money. Most of the time, the stadium contracts are completly separate from the owners of the team at all. The stadium is more of a middle man, charging it's fees to let you see the team most of that goes to stadium revenue, but another huge chunk goes to the team, but through the stadium. That's what is normally in the agreement, at least. Again, stadiums are rich because teams play there, not the other way around.

Q