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  • Reach
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Jun 2003
    • 7471

    #151
    Re: IQ

    Originally posted by MrRubix
    Reach: My SAT is 2390/2400 with about 4 other SAT2 800's, 36 ACT. I missed on the Verbal section. It still really bugs me even to this day.

    Also, wtf @ #39, haha, that's nuts. Changing shapes AND shifting? Gross!

    I'll have to check out that other test you mentioned.

    What would you say needs to be present for an IQ test to be of any worth, and what do you think are the most important conclusions that you can draw from an IQ score?
    What needs to be present are items that are highly g-loaded, or items that are highly predictive of your performance across a wide variety and mix of subjects. Ravens APM is a pretty good example of that; that is, if you perform well on this test you probably perform well on just about everything else as well.

    Of course, it's not the best example of this because Ravens contains only spatially oriented questions, which can under predict performance of verbally oriented individuals, but still. That's the idea behind it all.


    Conclusions you can draw depend on whether or not you're talking about the individual or a population. However, conclusions are always statistical in nature, or probabilistic, which important to note.

    For example, for individuals, you can draw probabilistic conclusions about the persons academic aptitude (across the board - essentially all subjects), propensity to commit felony, speed of learning, propensity to make errors, overall job performance, overall health, among other things. The most important factors are probably academic aptitude and job performance, but those two things tie in a lot of the other factors.

    They allow you to fairly accurately gauge at least a baseline of where someone should be able to perform in academic or job related environments. They can tell you about how easily someone will master a job, or how quickly they'll become bored with that type of work if the IQ is too high. As such, IQ scores can be useful to institutions. The US Military is a big proponent of IQ testing and always has been. They know all too well that IQ affects everything from the ability to aim to the likelihood of damaging one of their precious aircrafts :P Hell, even Wonderlic IQ scores are predictive of quarterback skill in football, where IQ is correlated at around r= 0.5 with successful throws and number of yards thrown.


    With respect to populations, population IQs are related to crime rates, health care quality, GDP (IQ is actually the largest single factor predictor of a country's GDP o_O ), among other things.


    As such, it's a very useful statistical tool. I think the problem that people tend to have with IQ though is that they perceive it to be something that it isn't; they perceive it to be some sort of magical one dimensional number that is supposed to tell you everything about your intellect and people don't want to be measured by a single number. No, it isn't a magical number; it doesn't tell you a lot of things, but that doesn't mean it's unimportant.

    We also have to consider the limitations of something like an online test, which just gives you a number, vs an evaluation from a psychologist that could give you much more information. One is clearly superior to the other.
    Last edited by Reach; 06-10-2009, 06:45 PM.

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    • Blue Bird
      FFR Veteran
      • Dec 2007
      • 377

      #152
      Re: IQ

      Bah I got 130 on Reach's test. Began to get lost at the last 9 or so. I once took this other one which I thought was pretty OK, got 140. I guess I got dumber. lol

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      • ~HentaiXXX~
        Banned
        • Apr 2007
        • 2955

        #153
        Re: IQ

        Originally posted by ~HentaiXXX~
        104 on the iqtest.dk
        took it again just now, 110.

        ok..I'm out of school, I guess that means less stress, so better score?

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        • MrRubix
          FFR Player
          • May 2026
          • 8340

          #154
          Re: IQ

          Thanks for the explanation, Reach
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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          • GG_Guru
            Let em' do what they want
            • Mar 2006
            • 3219

            #155
            Re: IQ

            Courtesy goes a long way.

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            • tofurox
              Them arrows.
              • May 2006
              • 2263

              #156
              Re: IQ

              Originally posted by Tarrik
              On the www.iqtest.dk i managed a 128, which is pretty decent since i smoke pot pretty damn hard Lol..
              Lol I got 107

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              • ieatyourlvllol
                FFR Player
                • Sep 2006
                • 3221

                #157
                Re: IQ

                Originally posted by Reach
                I recently retook the test in an attempt to get a perfect score and spent about an hour on it. I got a 960, though I'm not sure if higher is possible at my age range.
                Haha...coincidence



                The tile problems at the end are monstrous...rather than poring over them for several hours, I'm forced to make educated guesses in which I'm no more confident than if I had simply closed my eyes and randomly picked. : |

                Originally posted by Reach
                I think the problem that people tend to have with IQ though is that they perceive it to be something that it isn't; they perceive it to be some sort of magical one dimensional number that is supposed to tell you everything about your intellect and people don't want to be measured by a single number. No, it isn't a magical number; it doesn't tell you a lot of things, but that doesn't mean it's unimportant.
                QFT

                it's one of the most misunderstood tools of all time

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                • A2P
                  FFR Veteran
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 3127

                  #158
                  Re: IQ

                  110 on Reach's test he posted earlier.

                  I BSed the last 6 questions. ;(

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                  • ieatyourlvllol
                    FFR Player
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 3221

                    #159
                    Re: IQ

                    Originally posted by Reach
                    verbally oriented individuals
                    devonin

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                    • Reach
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 7471

                      #160
                      Re: IQ

                      The tile problems at the end are monstrous...rather than poring over them for several hours, I'm forced to make educated guesses in which I'm no more confident than if I had simply closed my eyes and randomly picked. : |
                      You're a very good guesser then, because as far as I can tell 960 is either the ceiling or 1 problem away from it. I noted which answers I was not confident about and pondered over them until I figured them out and my guesses were also correct, so I can't find any that I got wrong.

                      Making good educated guesses is a sign of high ability, and these types of questions are designed such that they can often be solved in this manner (i.e. they don't contain trick answers and most commonly picked wrong answers). This is why spending more time is not highly correlated with higher scores (~r=0.2), as more intelligent people figure the answer out quicker anyway even if through 'guessing' and less intelligent individuals eventually become overwhelmed and can't answer correctly above chance anymore regardless of time spent.

                      devonin
                      Yeah. I went back to the literature awhile ago and although very rare (Occurs in less than 1% of the population), there are individuals that can deviate in spatial/verbal scores by more than 2 standard deviations.

                      But it's ok - Devonin got the good end of the stick. The other way around (Extreme differences containing poor verbal and high spatial) is very common in criminals. That's probably because verbal ability is requisite for essentially everything, where as spatial ability is domain specific (Though interestingly, individuals in fields more spatially oriented, like engineering, on average outscore people on verbal tasks from more verbally oriented fields like English or History anyway, due to our good friend g and the higher than average IQs associated with engineers/physicists/chemists etc)
                      Last edited by Reach; 06-11-2009, 07:47 AM.

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                      • qrrbrbirbel
                        FFR Veteran
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 510

                        #161
                        Re: IQ

                        105, good thing i'm so good looking
                        im trash

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                        • MrRubix
                          FFR Player
                          • May 2026
                          • 8340

                          #162
                          Re: IQ

                          "(Though interestingly, individuals in fields more spatially oriented, like engineering, on average outscore people on verbal tasks from more verbally oriented fields like English or History anyway, due to our good friend g and the higher than average IQs associated with engineers/physicists/chemists etc)"

                          I've always noticed this too, and now I am starting to see exactly what you mean by "g"
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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                          • Zageron
                            Zageron E. Tazaterra
                            FFR Administrator
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 6592

                            #163
                            Re: IQ

                            130, 137, and 144 on 3 online IQ tests.

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                            • ieatyourlvllol
                              FFR Player
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 3221

                              #164
                              Re: IQ

                              Originally posted by Reach
                              You're a very good guesser then, because as far as I can tell 960 is either the ceiling or 1 problem away from it.
                              Close...2 problems away, actually



                              And in fact, those same two problems are admittedly the ones that seem to elude my usual paths of reasoning every time I take the test. Initially, I came up with a simple rationale for #37, but it apparently wasn't what the test was looking for. The same could be said for #40. However, I would most like to know the logic behind #51, which imo is the most difficult problem. It's like staring at some mystifying cipher.

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                              • Reach
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 7471

                                #165
                                Re: IQ

                                Originally posted by ieatyourlvllol
                                Close...2 problems away, actually



                                And in fact, those same two problems are admittedly the ones that seem to elude my usual paths of reasoning every time I take the test. Initially, I came up with a simple rationale for #37, but it apparently wasn't what the test was looking for. The same could be said for #40. However, I would most like to know the logic behind #51, which imo is the most difficult problem. It's like staring at some mystifying cipher.
                                Damn. I actually checked 37 and 40, so I'm positive I got those, but I didn't check many of the easier problems so evidently I might have flubbed two of the easier problems.

                                1010 would correspond to an IQ of 165, which is quite a high ceiling, though that's a huge jump for two additional correct answers and the test likely suffers from the ceiling effect at this point.


                                My reasoning for 51 was analogous rather than sequential. The 3rd term is related to the first more so than the 2nd, so logically to complete the analogy 5 is the only answer that makes sense (but maybe I approached this incorrectly)
                                Last edited by Reach; 06-11-2009, 10:57 AM.

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