Poetic Justice

[sylvia_black]

Re: Poetic Justice

Pretty bad prose.

I wrote it the way I knew you would hate (with all my bleeding heart *teardrop*). :3 Just for you!

I guess that leaves us at a stalemate. Oh well.

[The_Q]

Re: Poetic Justice

I guess that leaves us at a stalemate. Oh well.

How does that leave us at a stalemate? We have definitions, logic and common sense and you have poorly written prose that proves us correct.

Q

[bmah]

Re: Poetic Justice

It's because it has form and function, right?

Not necessarily. Poetry can be well thought out (function), but does not necessarily follow "form" in a strict sense. For example, take E. E. Cumming's "next to of course god america i". When I first saw this poem, it did look "barfed out" to me, but that's because the dialogue is just one long rant. However, this poem is not nonsense:

"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"

He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water

This one is called "in Just-" by the same poet. The poem at first seems to have little meaning:

in Just-
spring when the world is mud-
luscious the little
lame balloonman
whistles far and wee

and eddieandbill come
running from marbles and
piracies and it's spring

when the world is puddle-wonderful

the queer
old balloonman whistles
far and wee
and bettyandisbel come dancing
from hop-scotch and jump-rope and

it's spring
and the goat-footed
balloonMan whistles
far
and
wee

This one's called "l(a". The poem does have form; you just have to take a closer look! :

l(a

le
af
fa

ll

s)
one
l

iness

[The_Q]

Re: Poetic Justice

E.E. Cummings wrote a lot in form (sonnetts, blues). The only reason that doesn't seem like it's in form is because he wrote so that the shape of the words conveyed just as much of a message as the words themselves (see: House of Leaves).

Nevertheless, form refers to meter, not to rhyme or sensibility of the words themselves (which is equally important, in my opinion, but not in poetry's).

Q

[sylvia_black]

Re: Poetic Justice

How does that leave us at a stalemate? We have definitions, logic and common sense and you have poorly written prose that proves us correct.

Q

A stalemate, meaning I believe one thing and FictionJunction another, and our opinions probably won't change. That is all.

By the way. Just because I'm not good at poetry, doesn't mean that what I wrote it isn't a poem. If I want to call it a poem, I will, and no one else can change my mind on that. Stalemate.

[FictionJunction]

Re: Poetic Justice

A stalemate, meaning I believe one thing and FictionJunction another, and our opinions probably won't change. That is all.

By the way. Just because I'm not good at poetry, doesn't mean that what I wrote it isn't a poem. If I want to call it a poem, I will, and no one else can change my mind on that. Stalemate.

you're wrong.

[The_Q]

Re: Poetic Justice

By the way. Just because I'm not good at poetry, doesn't mean that what I wrote it isn't a poem. If I want to call it a poem, I will, and no one else can change my mind on that. Stalemate.

So because I call it something, that makes it become that thing? That makes no sense at all. This is no longer a website, it's a a shoe. That does not make it a shoe.

It wasn't even poetry, anyway, which was our point.

A stalemate, meaning I believe one thing and FictionJunction another, and our opinions probably won't change. That is all.

So you just give up? Defend your conviction. If you fear it will crumble under logic, then why do you still argue?

Q

[sylvia_black]

Re: Poetic Justice

So because I call it something, that makes it become that thing? That makes no sense at all. This is no longer a website, it's a a shoe. That does not make it a shoe.

It wasn't even poetry, anyway, which was our point.

Q

And vice versa, just because you say it's not a poem, it doesn't mean it's not a poem. That's you just not liking what I wrote, because it doesn't fit the way you think it should.

So you just give up? Defend your conviction. If you fear it will crumble under logic, then why do you still argue?

Because, no matter what I say, you will bend my words to suit your 'logic', and in the end we will still feel the same. I still argue because you answering me makes me want to answer lol.

[FictionJunction]

Re: Poetic Justice

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...28&postcount=6

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Your Prose

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...6&postcount=13

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We win.

[The_Q]

Re: Poetic Justice

And vice versa, just because you say it's not a poem, it doesn't mean it's not a poem. That's you just not liking what I wrote, because it doesn't fit the way you think it should.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...28&postcount=6

Did you not see us put the definition of this word out? There are such things as denotations, not just connotations. That's how languages work, see, they have actual meanings for the words. Otherwise we'd be unable to communicate at all. I say poems are this because that's how they exist in reality. Everything else varies off of them and has a subcategory.

Q