A day without a Mexican

[stretchypanda]

Re: A day without a Mexican

Yes you can. They should not be here. They should head back across the river and go through the same process through which LEGAL immigrants have gone. This sentiment has been repeated, but it's clearly not what you want to hear, so you keep bringing it up, hoping someone somewhere will agree that illegals who are already here should just get to stay because they're here and they've established themselves.

Sorry, buddy, I don't feel that way. I don't care if you're "established," if you (this is now an ambiguous "you") came into this country illegally, you don't deserve special treatment. I'm sorry that living conditions suck where you come from, but there are tons of people from your country and other countries who come into the US LEGALLY to work. See ya later. Come back when you have some papers.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: A day without a Mexican

in what he wrote it just said that they should not be here, but it did not say what should be done. You cannot just say they should not be here.

Do you need to have things spelled out for you? You asked if they should be allowed to stay here or be kicked out. Since sert believes they should not stay here, I think it's reasonable to assume (maybe not, though, as you didn't pick up on it) that he advocates the kicking out option that you presented. You asked a question, he answered it. Maybe not explicitly, but quite obviously, from my standpoint.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MCRenaissance]

Re: A day without a Mexican

Yes you can. They should not be here. They should head back across the river and go through the same process through which LEGAL immigrants have gone. This sentiment has been repeated, but it's clearly not what you want to hear, so you keep bringing it up, hoping someone somewhere will agree that illegals who are already here should just get to stay because they're here and they've established themselves.

Sorry, buddy, I don't feel that way. I don't care if you're "established," if you (this is now an ambiguous "you") came into this country illegally, you don't deserve special treatment. I'm sorry that living conditions suck where you come from, but there are tons of people from your country and other countries who come into the US LEGALLY to work. See ya later. Come back when you have some papers.

do you really believe that the illegals are going to just up and leave? I agree they do not deserve special treatment. I think they should not be coming in illegally. I feel that there should be stronger border patrol, but I don't think that the ones that are already here should be deported. That would be an incredible amount of money and I don't think that it would work. Plus like talisman kindly stated it would cause inflation. In the LONG RUN it would have a bad effect on the economy and not only that but a lot of people would suffer through this, not just illegals. Others would suffer by losing friends, losing lovers, even losing family. I believe that citizenship should be granted to the ones that already here. That way, the money that we were going to use to find illegals and deport them we could use on stronger border patrol.

[MCRenaissance]

Re: A day without a Mexican

Do you need to have things spelled out for you? You asked if they should be allowed to stay here or be kicked out. Since sert believes they should not stay here, I think it's reasonable to assume (maybe not, though, as you didn't pick up on it) that he advocates the kicking out option that you presented. You asked a question, he answered it. Maybe not explicitly, but quite obviously, from my standpoint.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

excuse me for not noticing. I'm not acting pigheaded I just didn't pick up on it(like you said).

sorry for the double post. I don't know how to put two quotes in one post.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: A day without a Mexican

That way, the money that we were going to use to find illegals and deport them we could use on stronger border patrol.

And just cave in to a bunch of Mexicans? And slap the faces of everyone who came here legally and everyone who wanted to come here illegally but didn't? All that money you think we would save would probably have to go to refunding all the fees of every legal immigrant if we do that.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Lightknight924]

Re: A day without a Mexican

Originally Posted by pazreyesreyes
hey you ****ing whitey dont say ''**** mexicans'',where the ones working our asses off like mowing your lawns,dealing with your attitude at mcdonnalds so i would shut the **** up!!!!!!!!.

True, I agree with you. Most immigrants take the crap jobs most Americans won't take. You say we're being rascist(And by we, I mean mostly Sertman. But I also mean ALL white people since they are the ones you're discriminating). Except calling us white boy and telling us to shut the **** up(You're calling us lazy people who don't do the hard ass jobs you do), makes you just as bad as us pal. So why do you try to argue for the better of your race when you're making yourself look even more rascist? The point is, you're an immigrant of this country, and you can't expect to come to America and change the rules just so you immigrants(who don't even HAVE to be here(It's like that Spongebob episode when Squidward goes to live in that fancy town and then he doesn't like it so he tries to change it. So they all suggest that he leaves if he doesn't like it.)) And don't use Mcdonalds as an example, of ALL places! They always(or just about) mess up my order.

And who says you have to take those jobs? Take better ones, ones other people take. Then you have nothing to complain over.

No offense, I just hate to see this rascism. I hate it. I'm no rascist, I see both sides. Except ignorance from any race angers me(White or mexican. Even black or Asian ignorance drives me 'nanners). Good day to you sir.

[MCRenaissance]

Re: A day without a Mexican

...cave into a bunch of Mexicans.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

I dont want to make this into a race issue (that already happened a couple of pages back) but do you consider yourself above Mexicans? I guess I do take offense to you refering to the illegalls as a bunch of Mexicans. It's not just Mexicans(also a couple of pages back) that are protesting(although they do take the majority).

All that money you think we would save would probably have to go to refunding all the fees of every legal immigrant if we do that.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Okay but we would still save money. How you may ask? compare. if we spend the money on just patrol on the border OR if we deport the illegals AND the money that we spend on Border Patrol.

I found out how to put 2 quotes!!

[petpro32]

Re: A day without a Mexican

I dont think that they should be kicked out. Some maybe, but not all. Just because they came here illegally, doesn't mean they don't work just as hard as us. Just because they might not have had the money, or the opportunity or the time to go through all the "legal procedures" for coming into America, shouldn't be cause for persecution. America is a land of new beginnings, a land of opportunity. Are you saying that just because they did what they had to do, to better their lives, and the lives of their families, that they should be punished? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Just imagine growing up in America, and then finding out that your mother came illegally, does that mean she gets deported, or that the family moves back to Mexico, or is she labeled as a felon, and won't be able to get jobs to feed her children. Sorry, for ranting, but I just think it's wrong to have to push the innocent, hard-working people out, just because of how they got here. I can see booting the drug dealers, or the ones who don't contribute to society. They DOM'T deserve to be here. I'm just saying, don't punish the good ones, label them at the most. If they are labeled as a Illegal Immigrant, once they break the law they're out. But yeah. That's where I stand.

[MCRenaissance]

Re: A day without a Mexican

I dont think that they should be kicked out. Some maybe, but not all. Just because they came here illegally, doesn't mean they don't work just as hard as us. Just because they might not have had the money, or the opportunity or the time to go through all the "legal procedures" for coming into America, shouldn't be cause for persecution. America is a land of new beginnings, a land of opportunity. Are you saying that just because they did what they had to do, to better their lives, and the lives of their families, that they should be punished? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Just imagine growing up in America, and then finding out that your mother came illegally, does that mean she gets deported, or that the family moves back to Mexico, or is she labeled as a felon, and won't be able to get jobs to feed her children. Sorry, for ranting, but I just think it's wrong to have to push the innocent, hard-working people out, just because of how they got here. I can see booting the drug dealers, or the ones who don't contribute to society. They DOM'T deserve to be here. I'm just saying, don't punish the good ones, label them at the most. If they are labeled as a Illegal Immigrant, once they break the law they're out. But yeah. That's where I stand.

Very, very,very well put!! stick around dude!! in my opinion you've made THE best contribution to this whole thread.

[petpro32]

Re: A day without a Mexican

Thanks. I try...

[stretchypanda]

Re: A day without a Mexican

I'm sorry, but if my relatives can go through the legal proceedings to become citizens in the midst of a WAR, I think some Mexicans have the time and opportunity necessary to go through the same process.

[talisman]

Re: A day without a Mexican

hey stretchy/guido 11.5 million people can't be deported, and that's just a fact. Bad for them, bad for us.

This is just about fixing a mess that's been happening for a long time. I imagine it like this. A coffee mug falls off a table and breaks into thousands of pieces. Is it easier to put all the pieces back together into the original mug or buy a new one and clean up the mess? Ok that's honestly a terrible metaphor that I borrowed from some entropy lecture. But the idea is there. The influx of illegal immigrants is highly exothermic and it would take far too much energy at this point to simply reverse the reaction.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: A day without a Mexican

I dont want to make this into a race issue (that already happened a couple of pages back) but do you consider yourself above Mexicans? I guess I do take offense to you refering to the illegalls as a bunch of Mexicans. It's not just Mexicans(also a couple of pages back) that are protesting(although they do take the majority).

Ugh, there is NOTHING racist about what I've said or what's been said in this entire thread. NOTHING. That said, I LOVE Mexicans. The people, the language, the culture, just about everything. So, when I refer to them in such a way, I'm referring to them as not-Americans. That is, we Americans should not have to bend to the muses of not-Americans. We are a sovereign nation, and if others do not want to respect that then they have no right to be here.

Okay but we would still save money. How you may ask? compare. if we spend the money on just patrol on the border OR if we deport the illegals AND the money that we spend on Border Patrol.

Not if we have to refund all the immigration fees ever since immigration laws came into existence, because that would be the least we could do to the people who paid and waited to come here legally.

I dont think that they should be kicked out. Some maybe, but not all. Just because they came here illegally, doesn't mean they don't work just as hard as us. Just because they might not have had the money, or the opportunity or the time to go through all the "legal procedures" for coming into America, shouldn't be cause for persecution.

This is horse****. They're being "persecuted" because they're CRIMINALS! Do you not understand that? They've broken our laws and now you're suggesting that we just forget that? You don't DO what you don't have the MONEY for. I don't have the money for a Bugatti Veyron, but if I went out and stole one nobody would suggest that I keep it just because I couldn't afford it.

America is a land of new beginnings, a land of opportunity. Are you saying that just because they did what they had to do, to better their lives, and the lives of their families, that they should be punished? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Not in the slightest. They have every right to come here and better their lives. What they DON'T have is the right to do so on their own whims. We are not the open-bordered manifest destiny country that we used to be. We are now our own country with its own laws that must be respected by citizen and foreigner alike. They DO NOT have the right to break our laws, even if it is to better their own situations.

Just imagine growing up in America, and then finding out that your mother came illegally, does that mean she gets deported, or that the family moves back to Mexico, or is she labeled as a felon, and won't be able to get jobs to feed her children. Sorry, for ranting, but I just think it's wrong to have to push the innocent, hard-working people out, just because of how they got here.

Take your bleeding heart somewhere where it matters. Yes, it's sad that people have to be punished for their actions, but they accepted that possibility when they came here illegally. I doubt there's an illegal here who thought he could just waltz into America and everyone would be totally okay with it.

Very, very,very well put!! stick around dude!! in my opinion you've made THE best contribution to this whole thread.

Haha, the only good post in the thread is the one that's on your side, eh? That's cute.

EDIT@talisman: entropy? exothermic? Now you're speaking my language. But I'm only talking ideals here; I know the situation is really sticky and that more practical ideas will need to be put into use. Of course, eleven million people won't be instantly deported, too. Perhaps have everyone who can get a green card or have some other reason to be legally in this country without naturalizing get to stay here while they go through the immigration process as normal and deporting everyone who can't? I'm not a fountain of ideas here.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MonkeyFoo]

Re: A day without a Mexican

The following is for debate purposes only: I'm not Hitler.

We should shoot all the illegal immigrants: The government has no reciprocal obligation to give them rights, as they give nothing to the government; this means the government does not need to protect their right to life. At the same time, the illegal immigrants still do take resources, such as jobs, housing, etc., from the people to whom the government actually does have an obligation. Hence, the government has an obligation to its citizens to remove the illegal immigrants from society in the cheapest way possible. This may be via bullets.

Or, perhaps we should pull a Saddam and gas them the next time they hold a big rally. This would work a little better, because it's harder to run away from.

Or we could go with The Hitler, and round them up into death camps. This would probably be the most effective way to get rid of the immigrants.

[MCRenaissance]

Re: A day without a Mexican

Stretchypanda just because your family went through hardships doesn't mean that that fate has to be put upon other people.