A day without a Mexican

[petpro32]

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This is horse****. They're being "persecuted" because they're CRIMINALS! Do you not understand that? They've broken our laws and now you're suggesting that we just forget that? You don't DO what you don't have the MONEY for. I don't have the money for a Bugatti Veyron, but if I went out and stole one nobody would suggest that I keep it just because I couldn't afford it.

I understand, yes, they are criminals, but it is in no way the same as a Bugatti Veyron (even though i'm not so sure what that is... Car?). This is about somebody's life. They came to america, to lead beter, more productive lives, and that would be hard to buy as a beggar in mexico. at least they can get a paying job here.

Not in the slightest. They have every right to come here and better their lives. What they DON'T have is the right to do so on their own whims. We are not the open-bordered manifest destiny country that we used to be. We are now our own country with its own laws that must be respected by citizen and foreigner alike. They DO NOT have the right to break our laws, even if it is to better their own situations.

Good point. As much as I would like to disagree, I can't. Just because they have it hard in mexico, doesn't mean they can break our laws. If they want to live her, than they must abide by ALL the rules.

Take your bleeding heart somewhere where it matters. Yes, it's sad that people have to be punished for their actions, but they accepted that possibility when they came here illegally. I doubt there's an illegal here who thought he could just waltz into America and everyone would be totally okay with it.

Sorry for the sob story, but my thoughts are still the same. It won't be right to just deport them. Labeling them felons won't help either. I know we cant just let by-gones be by-gones (sp?) but there has to be a better solution!

[Grandiagod]

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I understand, yes, they are criminals, but it is in no way the same as a Bugatti Veyron (even though i'm not so sure what that is... Car?). This is about somebody's life. They came to america, to lead beter, more productive lives, and that would be hard to buy as a beggar in mexico. at least they can get a paying job here.

Good point. As much as I would like to disagree, I can't. Just because they have it hard in mexico, doesn't mean they can break our laws.

Stop disagreeing with yourself.

[petpro32]

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@MCRenaissance: It's not a matter of winning or losing, it's about getting your thoughts and ideas out to other people and hearing hteirs in return. Keep speaking up for what you think and believe.

@MonkeyFoo: Quit being a moron. You were quite right about everything except the bullets and shooting parts. Otherwise, very pertinant to te thread.

[stretchypanda]

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I'm not making it about the hardships suffered by my own family. I am SAYING that Mexicans are not political refugees. The urgency with which they come illegally into this country is arguably the same, however, I'm not going to argue that.

Let me repeat myself, hopefully you'll understand it better the second time. If people fleeing war (WAR. EVIL FASCIST DICTATOR THREATENING LIVES.) can go through the legal proceedings necessary to gain citizenship, so can Mexicans, who are NOT fleeing war and/or evil fascist dictators.

Did any of you read the post Hr2 made? It was BRILLIANT. Hr2's family has recently come into this country through legal means. It took an inordinately long time, but it happened. His dad was able to work in the US while the family became legal. Do you understand that? Do you understand that it is quite possible to work in this country WHILE obtaining citizenship? Making more money that can be sent home to your poor wife and children so they can afford more food and clothing and repairs to the house. Or money that could pay for the rest of the family to come to the US.

[MCRenaissance]

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I'm not making it about the hardships suffered by my own family. I am SAYING that Mexicans are not political refugees. The urgency with which they come illegally into this country is arguably the same, however, I'm not going to argue that.

Let me repeat myself, hopefully you'll understand it better the second time. If people fleeing war (WAR. EVIL FASCIST DICTATOR THREATENING LIVES.) can go through the legal proceedings necessary to gain citizenship, so can Mexicans, who are NOT fleeing war and/or evil fascist dictators.

Did any of you read the post Hr2 made? It was BRILLIANT. Hr2's family has recently come into this country through legal means. It took an inordinately long time, but it happened. His dad was able to work in the US while the family became legal. Do you understand that? Do you understand that it is quite possible to work in this country WHILE obtaining citizenship? Making more money that can be sent home to your poor wife and children so they can afford more food and clothing and repairs to the house. Or money that could pay for the rest of the family to come to the US.

yes, but that all requires time. which is something that some other people just don't have. I did read Hr2's post. But, like I said it takes time.

[petpro32]

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eh, this whole debate makes my head spin. Each side has a perfectly valid argument, and no, im not disagreeing with myself Grandiagod, i was saying that yes, they are criminals, but not in the same way as steling some fancy car. But anyways, are there any NEW, ideas to share? Something that maybe we haven't heard yet?

[MCRenaissance]

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Cant think of anything..ohohoh I got one! isn't the goverment debating over the new law that would make it if you knew an illegal and didn't turn them in it would be a felony? That's wrong in my opinion. What if it was a family member? I don't think anyone would be willing to turn in their mother. that's a law that should not pass. It would be bad for a lot of people. for example: you start going out with a girl and really like her. You go out for months and plan to spend your life with her. She turns to you and says "I'm illegal". So then you have the decision of betraying your love or getting a felony charge just for not wishing ill on your loved one.
Discuss

[stretchypanda]

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Get her the means to make the person legal! If you are a legal resident you are doing your illegal friends disservice letting them perform what is basically slave labor.

If it is important enough, they will take the time. Once again: it is possible to work and gain citizenship. What? Live in and work in America while becoming a citizen? UNHEARD OF.

[talisman]

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If people fleeing war (WAR. EVIL FASCIST DICTATOR THREATENING LIVES.) can go through the legal proceedings necessary to gain citizenship, so can Mexicans, who are NOT fleeing war and/or evil fascist dictators.

That doesn't necessarily follow. I don't know what our current immigration laws are regarding mexico, but I imagine that there is some kind of quota or something in place, as there is for other countries. Might be wrong, I'd have to look it up.

the idea is that our borders aren't necessarily open to everyone who wants to come here and can come here legally. At least... I don't think that's the case. I know it hasn't been and the past and I don't see why it would be any other way now.

[Kilgamayan]

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isn't the goverment debating over the new law that would make it if you knew an illegal and didn't turn them in it would be a felony? That's wrong in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29

[MCRenaissance]

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Get her the means to make the person legal! If you are a legal resident you are doing your illegal friends disservice letting them perform what is basically slave labor.

If it is important enough, they will take the time. Once again: it is possible to work and gain citizenship. What? Live in and work in America while becoming a citizen? UNHEARD OF.

yes but immediately makes it a felony to know them!!

[sertman]

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Lets put it into different terms. (And this is a hypothetical situation, so it isn't realistic, so don't say "That can't happen etc." cause it'd just be avoiding the point.)

Think of the country as an apartment building. And think of the government as the owner of the apartment building. Now, you have many people who live in this apartment building (country) , pay rent (taxes), and have to pay for special services (working). But however, there are people living in the apartment building that the management doesn't know about. They don't pay rent, they didn't put a down payment (immigrating legally), and they get all the services for less (working under minimum wage). Now, if the management were to discover these people, should we kick them out, or let them stay because they've been staying in the room for a few years?

[MCRenaissance]

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Lets put it into different terms. (And this is a hypothetical situation, so it isn't realistic, so don't say "That can't happen etc." cause it'd just be avoiding the point.)

Think of the country as an apartment building. And think of the government as the owner of the apartment building. Now, you have many people who live in this apartment building (country) , pay rent (taxes), and have to pay for special services (working). But however, there are people living in the apartment building that the management doesn't know about. They don't pay rent, they didn't put a down payment (immigrating legally), and they get all the services for less (working under minimum wage). Now, if the management were to discover these people, should we kick them out, or let them stay because they've been staying in the room for a few years?

good way of putting it.

[Grandiagod]

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yes but immediately makes it a felony to know them!!

No, it doesn't. Read the bill before you actually respond. It makes it illegal to help them. (Employment, etc) Not to know them.

[mattyohh]

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I can't belive that this discussion is still going.