Survey: Define "good" music.

[vro]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

Hmm, I enjoy threads like this.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
EDM, my favorites being Happy Hardcore, Gabber, and Hardstyle, although I enjoy all of it. Otherwise, I prefer more Indie stuff.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Although I prefer underground music, mainstream music isn't necesarilly bad, its popularity can just be annoying. I basically think good music is music that shows lots of talent through its lyrics and use of instruments, whether they be physical or electronic.

1b. How about bad music?
I hate music that sounds like an immature 8 year old could have made. I realize you could say I'm one to talk for liking EDM, but there is a huge difference between a ***got like Deadmau5 and Daft Punk.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Oh yeah. Dubstep being a great example. I've listened to Dubstep since around 2007, and I thought it was cool. I don't dislike Dubstep now, but there are so many retards who keep screaming that Dubstep is the coolest thing ever, when really its just a fad that a bunch of people like because its "the cool thing."

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Not exactly. I judge a person based on what they say and wear, not just what they listen to alone.

3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Screamo being for Scene/Emo kids, Dubstep being for hardcore ravers(lol), etc.

3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
We all do drugs, we only listen to dubstep and electro, dumb shit like that.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
Um...I guess its how the artist handles being popular. Daft Punk has become massively popular, but they are still true to themselves and don't sell out, and yet still make fantastic hit music. Deadmau5 makes shit music and is just a fad who thrives on marketing himself, not making good music.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
I'd say so.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Extremely.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Hm...a little bit of both I guess.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
I try not to, but my hobbies and fashion do kind of go hand in hand with the music I listen to.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
No, and I can't ****ing stand when people do this.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Unless they insult my music for a stupid reason, I generally don't care.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
See 10a

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Yeah, I'm in college getting a degree in music education, currently taking voice and piano lessons.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Me, internet.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Ehhhhhh....sorta.

13b. If not, why not?
I've listened to EDM since grade school, buying my first cd in 5th grade, which was a 2 disc trance club mix.

13c. If yes, in what way?
I never really stopped listening to EDM, but I went through a phase in high school where I listened to screamo/death metal all the time. Not really anymore though.

[Aldentron]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
My favorite genres are punk (powerviolence, screamo,) rap (backpack, early-mid 90s,) and electronic (drum n bass, ambient)

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Good music is made when you put only YOURSELF into your music.
1b. How about bad music?
The reverse of good music, bad music is made when you put only your RECORD LABEL or FANBASE in your music.
2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
No, I will give anything a chance.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Yes.
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
When people hear me say screamo they think I'm talking about Underoath and Asking Alexandria. Fans of dubstep are 500% more likely to be rolltarded.
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
We're all elitists. It's true.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
Not a whole lot. Popular bands just tend to be shitty, that's the way it is.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
I don't think tastes in music are good or bad, I think they can be more or less eclectic. I'd say my taste in music is very eclectic.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
If it gets my body moving, that's a good indicator that I like what I'm hearing.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Song-by-song, but I usually tend to download complete discographies at a time. I prefer to listen to complete albums.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Identity, very much so. Image, certainly not. Public persona, also very much so.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
I have never. my friends have always listened and played shitty music and i let them know how I feel about it. they usually like the songs that i show them, but they are extremely ignorant when it comes to finding new music to listen to on their own and are stuck listening to the same old bullshit...

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
With a grain of salt. Most people's taste in music is narrow and I don't expect them to like what I like.
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
"lol **** off dude this shit is badass how can you not like this?"

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
No

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
last.fm has played a big role in my taste's development. since then I have been finding more artists through live performances. I've networked with people in bands all across the USA and get to see what bands they're playing with at shows. this is my favorite way of finding new music because there are some very talented local musicians you will never hear about because they never go on tour.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
ever changing
13c. If yes, in what way?
i started listening to classical music as a child, age 8 was classic rock, 4th/5th grade was radio rock (TOOL, Disturbed, SOAD, Metallica, etc.) middle school was when I was introduced to MF Doom and the other various rap genres as well as drum n bass, and in high school i began listening to ALL GENRES of punk and ambient.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
hipster is not a put-down

[rushyrulz]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. Rock/Electronic

1a. Songs that are theoretically sound, nothing discordant and has a general flow.
1b. The antithesis of 1a.

2. No.

3a. Not really
3b. Hipsters? idk, idc.
3c. idfk, free bird shouting hippies?

4. Not a contributing factor, it pisses me off when people say I'm a bandwagoner because I like music from mainstream artists.

5. Yes.

6. 6/10

7. Yes..

8. No.

9. No.

10a. I have my reasonings for liking certain types of music, they have theirs.
10b. I have my style, they have theirs.

11. Yes, several years of piano lessons.

12. My dad and the internet.

13a. No
13b. I think the same, music sounds the same.
13c. N/A

14. No.

[Trogdor!!!!]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

Cool

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Post-Hardcore and every form of Electronic music.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Music with a good beat or melody, and catchy vocals. lol 1a
1b. How about bad music?
I don't know why I don't like rap. I'm pretty sure it's because 80% of it has some of the stupidest fucking lyrics I've ever heard in my life. As for the other 20%, I like the lyrics and what they stand for, but I still can't listen to it. Country I dislike because I hate every Country singers voice. Pop is just bad in general, it doesn't need an explanation.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Not really. All I have to do is not act like them and I'm good.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
I don't make assumptions, unless trying to generalize the types of people who listen to that type of music counts as assuming.
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
I can't think of any right now because it's 2:30 in the morning.
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
Electronic I have no idea. Post-Hardcore (screamo pretty much): Every person that listens to it is either emo or something similar.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
Absolutely none whatsoever. I don't care if the entire continent knows the song by heart.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
Not really considering that a very small portion of the places I've lived listen to the same music I do.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Extremely.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
The second one.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Kind of. All I wear is band t-shirts from Hot Topic so I guess.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
Nope.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
I can't argue with them because not everyone has the same taste in music.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
See 10a.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Nope.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Last.fm and Youtube

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Nope.
13b. If not, why not?
Because I tried listening to every genre, and I don't like a large majority of music.
13c. If yes, in what way?
...

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
FUCK YEAH KORS K.

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Any song that is executed in a way that it makes music sound like an artform, not just a cash cow.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Answered in 0.
1b. How about bad music?
Opposite of 0.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
I may be biased against metal.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Yes
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Metalheads listen to metal because it's loud.
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
Cocky, highbrow, pathetic, wimpy, do-gooder, don't honestly like the genre. Opera.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
Don't care, as long as the music stays inspirational, not more of the same because it pays well.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
...Yes.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
For the most part quite objective as I judge the artform, not the sound.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Song-by-song basis.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
No, I don't choose any music over another, I accept all music.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
No. My fellow students first looked at me awkwardly. Then they respected me for being awkward.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Everyone has opinions; everyone has the right to express them; no one is the same. I will listen to your reasoning and consider its validity afterwards.
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
Same deal.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Autodidactic pianist.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Again, there's no matter of choice of music. I browse Youtube for new music. I look up a work I know and look in the related videos.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Yes
13b. If not, why not?
13c. If yes, in what way?
Well I was a teenager, so I liked loud metal and rock about death and misery. Now I don't.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
MUSIC = CLASS. MUSIC =/= STYLE.

[Crashfan3]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Rock and Metal are my top faves, but I find enjoyment in things ranging from electronic music to folk and alt-country.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
I like music that tells a story, the kind that unfold like the pages of a great book. This is what first hooked me on power metal when I was about 15 years old. Songs from bands like Sonata Arctica are among my all time favorites.
1b. How about bad music?
Aside from music with annoying beat patterns, the stuff I hate falls along the type of music that tries to "bash" other groups of people (most modern country) or that sounds like propaganda. I also really dislike newer music that tries to directly copy the vinyl greats of the 60s and 70s and make it sound "retro and hip"

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Yeah, you can probably guess by now I don't like hipsters. Bands like The Black Keys piss me off because of this reason.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
I try not to.
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
A lot of people seem to think that Skrillex fans are 'childish'.
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
A lot of people think power metal fans are fat-asses that sit in their basement and play D&D, and while I'm actually starting to pick up the basics of D&D from a friend, I still don't appreciate the stereotype, but oh well.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
Pretty much zero, recently at least. Up until a couple of years ago I only listened to the mainstream giants of my favorite genres, but I've been trying to branch out and follow smaller bands such as Oceans Divide, Signum AD, Daybreak Embrace (all of which hard rock fans should listen to, oh my god they're amazing)

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
Yes, I do.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
I don't know... a lot of those lesser known bands I found just by typing a well-known artist into last.fm radio and just letting it play for a few hours. The ones that I find myself reaching for the volume control are the ones I end up liking on facebook later, heheh.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Definitely on a song-by-song basis. There's a lot of older bands out there that sound way different now than they did in 1995 or 1985, Metallica being a very good example (St. Anger, anyone? ugh.)

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Yes, absolutely.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
No way, jose.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Annoyed. I know I'm going to get bashed for this, but I don't like when people seem to hate on Nickelback because it seems to be popular to do so. I'm not ashamed to admit that I have four Nickelback CDs in my library.
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
Aside from the Nickelback example above, I really only get annoyed if someone seems to belittle me for every single band I like and then they try to hook me up on hipster crap (it's happened before).

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
A little bit. I played snare drum 6th through 8th grade, and I tried to pick up a guitar for a while in my junior and senior years of high school.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Most of my music I find on my own via the internet, but my friends and my brother have shown me a lot of good songs too that I didn't know about.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Indeed they have. I listened to nothing but country until I was about 10, because that's what my parents listened to. From then until I was about 14 it was nothing but hip-hop / typical top40 radio because that's what was popular (oh if I could take those years back...). At age 15 I started listening to rock and metal, but only the mainstream stuff mostly. At 18 years old I started discovering a lot of good underground bands that now fill up my Zune. (Yeah, I have a Zune, don't hate.)
13b. If not, why not?
N/A
13c. If yes, in what way?
See above.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
Nope. Cool thread.

[Renevatia]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
techno
symphonic
classical
dubstep
8bit remix
drum n bass
1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Predictable climax, clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJmz29HQY4&feature=autoplay&list=FLfIrHCIoNt2Xe5iSG3jBHkQ&lf=mh_lolz&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjQGt7WjK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqty8OKT15U&feature=BFa&list=FLfIrHCIoNt2Xe5iSG3jBHkQ&lf=mh_lolz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLrR1XuObOU&feature=BFa&list=FLfIrHCIoNt2Xe5iSG3jBHkQ&lf=mh_lolz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_8ydghbGSg&feature=BFa&list=FLfIrHCIoNt2Xe5iSG3jBHkQ&lf=mh_lolz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxOUFWMJOEw&feature=BFa&list=FLfIrHCIoNt2Xe5iSG3jBHkQ&lf=mh_lolz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flGJy...HkQ&lf=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvR-x...HkQ&lf=mh_lolz
If I link anymore I'd be posting my whole fav list.

1b. How about bad music?
Random emphasis, noisy, messy beats.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
No
3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Yes
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Justin beiber worshippers and haters are annoying as hell
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
otaku, blamed for listening to 'fake music', lack of objectives, druggy, uneducated and not artistic.
4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
None at all

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
Yes
6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Not particularly, sounds good = good. If it doesn't sound good then it doesnt. Though I could list reason of why it isn't good to me if someone asks why.
7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
song-by-song
8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
No, but it effects my mood, workflow, decision on a personal level when I do emerge myself. It usually does not have much to do with my image or public persona since I do not display my preferences in public, simply no occasion nor need to express.
9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
No
10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
If he can make a point about it, I will think about it from my stand point, if I do not agree, move on, others can put their own values on music, as can I. Reach conclusion, change topic.
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
Ask him to try it, if does not work, put on my headphones
11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
No, casual music listener.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Music never come alone for me, it's always with some kind of scene in movie, advertisement with a message, video with background. Then I derive my own meaning to music or a specific mood to each song and I listen to specific song/music to have each specific mood again when and where I want to.
13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Yes
13b. If not, why not?
13c. If yes, in what way?
As I grew over the past few years so did my values and that changed how I read, interpret. I've also came across dubstep somewhat recently so that is an added preference.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?

__________________

[Cavernio]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. I'm bad at genres. Incidental music, electronica, orchestral.

1a. Elicits emotions, makes me want to listen to it, feels catchy, has lots of different parts to listen to, I dunno

1b. Music that makes me feel unemotional. Music that creates ennui. Repetitive music that's annoying is the worst, however, repetitive music that's personally emotional can be the best thing ever.

2. I dunno.

3a. Definitely
3b. Kids with glowsticks, hip hop in da hood, hicks from the country, smart people like classical, I could go on
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
I honestly don't know but the demographics for most of the songs in my youtube playlist are for males 16-19 or something like that.

4. I'm often an iconoclast even though I don't want to be. I tend to dislike things that are locally popular. I suppose the music that's played locally (like on the radio) is just played too much though, and so I'll start to dislike it even if I started off liking it.

5. yes

6. Not objective at all, experiencing art isn't an objective thing. The only other way to look at this question is basically asked in #9.

7. I rarely find an artist where I like most of their work. I guess that means song-by-song basis.

8. Image, no, public persona, no, identity, maybe.

9. No, I'm a loner. But even when I had lots of friends I didn't either. Music wasn't usually a topic of conversation, and when it was, it was just clear we all liked different stuff largely anyways.

10a. Like we're wired differently.

10b. Like we're wired differently.

11. yes

12. Media, (I like incidental music afterall). I'm bad at finding new music. Random youtube searching/suggestions, the occasional opinion of someone else.

13a. Yes and no. Overall taste, no, not really. Individual songs? Most definitely.
13b. When I listen to the same thing too much, it often loses its flair. This is a known psychological phenomenon for music, at least for catchy music. I probably don't listen to music often enough for my overall tastes to have changed much. (Overdoing music is like overeating to me, too much and it's just not good anymore.)
13c. I get sick of the same melody lines with same underlying chords. There's a lot of overlap in stuff like that for music I like, or so it seems.

14. Who has found a piece of music that they just keep liking more and more, rather than having it get old? Why do you think this is? Will your enjoyment of it 'peak' anytime soon? Did you initially like the music?

[Choofers]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

Some interesting posts in here. Dubstep occured 8 times on the first page (mostly in vro's post xd). Dossar still listens to ambient music but, iirc, he mentioned stepmania/FFR less than he did when I first posted this topic. And there seems to be a bit of a negative stigma towards popular/mainstream artists. Playing the devil's advocate here, if your favorite artist went mainstream, would you still like them?

But anyways, here we go.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Drone, ambient, some shoegaze, down-tempo, IDM, left-field.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Anything that sounds interesting. If a song contains sounds that I enjoy listening to, then it's a good song to me. If it seems like a song is evolving, then it's a great song. If you can stand to listen to it completely, listen to the song I linked as "left-field." You can tell when the song changes directions (2:35, 3:23, 4:56).

1b. How about bad music?
Anything that bores me. That might sound weird though, since I listed drone and ambient as two of my favorite genres. Drone and ambient, for the most part, are composed of sounds you won't hear in any other genres (if you do, it's just a small part of the song).

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Not really. Maybe you could say I'm biased against religious music, since I'm not religious myself lol.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Nope.

3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Classical metal, hip-hop/rap, metal, EDM, etc. I lurk on a couple other sites, as well as /mu/ sometimes.

3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
We must do a ton of drugs.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
Not much.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
I enjoy the music I listen to, doesn't matter if my taste in music is "good." If someone likes the music I listen to as well, that's awesome. Maybe they can point me to some new artists.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Not objective at all. I either like something or I don't. Even if it's a highly-acclaimed artist or something.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
I cannot stand listening to artists/bands on a song to song basis. I'm like aldentron, I generally have to listen to an album completely.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Probably not.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
Nope. Hell, I've blasted this song in my brother's truck (mostly so I could see what it sounded like with his system (the ending is wtf lol)).

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Whatever. I respect other people's taste in music. If they don't respect mine, then they suck.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
10a, woop woop.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hLj2YpbJug

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
last.fm, pandora (although I haven't used it in a while...), a couple of other websites, as well as FFR (not da gaym)

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
I'd say they became more centralized.

13b. If not, why not?
durrrrr

13c. If yes, in what way?
I listen to better music than I did last year.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
BEYONCE HAD THE BEST MUSIC VIDEO OF ALL TIME.

[NeoMasterPie]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

pretty much exactly what jamz said, except for the part about playing the violin and what genres we like xd

even the part about having stepmania hipster vibes

(and yes jamz i read all that xd)

[EzExZeRo7497]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

Sure why not.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Any kind of electronic music (More specifically breakcore and ambient though), any kind of metal, some classical, classic rock, 80s pop and probably a lot more that I can't list out from the top of my head.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
I consider good based on technical ability, how much meaning or emotion are there in the lyrics or if basically if it sounds good.

1b. How about bad music?
Almost no technical ability (Singing similar to talking), cliche lyrics or the instrumentals just sound bad overall.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Not all the time.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Nope.

3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Pop fanboys/fangirls have bad grammar, people who like K-Pop are koreaboos, people who like J-Pop are weeaboos, people who like metal is emo, a lot more.

3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
Nerds, emos, old***s

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
None.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
No idea.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Quite objective, I'm fine with any genre in general. I just like it or I just have a neutral for it.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
I don't really like judge any band by just ONE song. I just listen to an album first.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Yes.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
No.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Don't give a shit, it's his own opinion anyways, unless it's pretty close minded.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
See above

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Choir.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Stepmania, last.fm, friends and a lot more.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
It kind of got a little larger.

13b. If not, why not?
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13c. If yes, in what way?
I wouldn't really mind listening to any kind of song now, unlike last year which I would really go mad whenever I heard a song I don't like.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
Stop at Nothing for Kanye West's new album

[UnkownMan]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

Playing the devil's advocate here, if your favorite artist went mainstream, would you still like them?

Only if the fame changed who they were drastically. Other than that, I don't think that "popularity" should have any affect on a band's music.

[A2P]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Classic Heavy Metal (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, etc.), '90s Gangster Rap, Trance, and Classical.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
A good song has its structure based on a good novel, with a beginning, rising action, climax, and falling point. Not every song has to follow this structure but it's a good point. Also if the lyrics truly have meaning to them. More on this below

1b. How about bad music?
Repetitive music and beats. you know A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI etc. is terrible.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
I'm a bit biased against country, and yes, it's mainly because usually low-class southerners listen to that shit.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Absolutely! I don't think they're really terrible, and I certainly don't give a complete judgement of a person just based on their music tastes, but it gives a good idea of what their personality may be like.

3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Pop: 12-14 year olds
Punk, Metal: People who aren't afraid to express themselves (usually with a slight obsession with tattoos, piercings, etc.)
Rock: Normal, "Chill" people
Rap: GhEtTo AzZ FugGgGk. By that I mean people who blast rap constantly come off as hard-asses, whether they are or not remains to be determined.
Country: *hic*
Classical: Older, Higher-class, sometimes "pompous" people.
Techno/Club music: WOAH DUDE IM ROLLING O_O (aka mostly clubbers, drug users [users not addicts mind you], etc.)
Dubstep: lol

3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
See above


4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/he/she/it?

No difference. It's all in the music

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
I would say so, yes.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Somewhat objective. In one of my previous answers, I said that bad lyrics could kill a song, but there are some exceptions. For example, Ludacris' lyrics aren't really the best, but the song/beat that goes with it makes it kinda good to listen to.


7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Entire body.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
No.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
No. Most of my friends have a wide range of music tastes, so why hide it? If they don't like what I listen to, that's on them.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
I don't pay it any mind usually...although statements like "OMG Beatles is kid shit" when your favorite artist is Justin Bieber is laughable.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
Even less so.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
I took 2 years of high school piano and I have a gold medal at a recital to show for it.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
My former neighbor that I was cool with introduced me to a lot of good artists back in high school, and she has real good taste. I find new music through friends usually.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Yeah, somewhat.

13b. If not, why not?
n/a

13c. If yes, in what way?
I went through different phases of my life. I actually couldn't stand any music except for VGM when I really young (kind of embarrassing, but hey, you asked.). Then when I hit 11 I went though this whole rap phase, blasting Eminem, Tupac, Cypress Hill, etc. Finally when I was 15 my music tastes started to really form.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
Music is subjective. It's a great aspect of our lives, but that the same time, I wish people wouldn't take it as seriously as they do. You don't have to revolve your entire life on music, especially when there's so much more to existence out there.

[Spenner]

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Ambient, drone, dub techno (you know what I mean, nun of the wubbin); anything textural, captivating, atmospheric.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
It's entirely subjective, but for me personally, it's anything that conveys a mood or atmosphere that is unique and vivid. Something that offers an escape from the everyday things around us. Was not carelessly made, and was made with the intent of being creative and inspiring rather than to make profit or to be popular or generic.

1b. How about bad music?
Music that tries too hard to be music that's already been recognized as popular and top of the list. So much I hear these days that's "new" music just sounds like the same old stuff I could have heard a decade ago, the same formula for the bands (sometimes this is good, in this particular case no, because it's just playing the exact same thing over again with maybe one different arrangement and different lyrics), lyrics that are carelessly written (gah especially when a naive crowd listens and feels INSPIRED by them and makes it into a fukken facebook status "~~ur love is like a candy and my tongue is like us bein 2gether ahaha (idk but it's that type of thing))

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
I try not to be. Sometimes I plain old don't like how it sounds, but it's also hard these days when OTHER people judge on a fanbase and see you listening to a certain type of music, it's hard to be on the fence.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Sometime's it's pretty damn obvious but yes I tend to do this. Obviously to the individual it will be different than trying to generalize, so to each their own. But when I see someone with hipster glasses and a backwards hat and a popped collar shirt and ripped jeans with "I <3 dubstep" branded on their sleeve or something its hard to not make a judgement.

3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
(not that I personally point these out but just ones I recognize as stereotypes): ganstas are black or if they are white, they want to be black; country fans are rednecks; dubstep fans are guidos and douchebags that drink a lot; classical music fans smell like old books and like to sip expensive liquors; techno fans do drugs; yeah idk, there's a lot.

3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
I'm not really sure about ambient fans. I guess people might think they're some sort of space hippies. Or maybe that they're always introverts that think too much or are depressed.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
I really like what I like, and I enjoy music that deserves to be liked. So I guess yeah.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Not very much at all. The subtleties in each individual song set them apart.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
FIRSTLY on a song-by-song basis. Sometimes after I've heard enough of the individual songs I can judge the entire body of work based on that, but I don't make a judgement unless I'm pretty confident of how their whole portfolio of sounds is.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Somewhat. I'm pretty modest in the way I present myself, quite neutral, but I probably have some sort of creative-type person vibe. It's not a huge part of it that I'm aware of though.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
Never. I've been introduced to good music by friends but never would I force myself to like something.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
I feel indifferent. Clearly what I like is working for me, because it makes me feel good. It doesn't have to be what makes them feel good. It's subjective. They're pretty thick if they think what they like is the ONLY good music for EVERYone. So I pity them, too.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
See above.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Nope.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
I influence my choice of music the most. Sometimes I'll see what artists I already like are listening to themselves, last.fm is a great tool, as well as just researching genres specific for something I'm in the mood for.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Yes. It's been a subtle maturation but it has changed pretty dramatically comparing the then-and-now.

13c. If yes, in what way?
I think it's the same thing with flavours that one may have hated as a kid but grew to like them when they grew older, just an expanded palette that let me enjoy more of what was around me. And, with the same analogy, some flavours I used to enjoy are far too sweet or sour for my liking now.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
Music is good stuff. Don't go around pretending you're the shit just because you like a certain genre of music then you're just a douche. And chicks may dig you, but they're custy chicks, so you can have them ALL.

[iironiic]

Re: Survey: Define &quot;good&quot; music.

A continuation of this post.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?

Mainly classical music. I can really listen to anything though and enjoy most music. Certainly appreciate it.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?

Partially. The fans describe the music by their overall personality more than the music describing who the fans are.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?

I try not to, but it certainly leave first impressions. Stereotypes include mainly what everyone else mentioned.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?

Popularity play hardly any significance in my choices for music. It is great to appreciate a popular artist, but sometimes there are better music sung/performed by someone else unheard of. I give everyone a chance to impress me musically whether they are popular or not.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?

Honestly, I would say both. On a song-to-song basis, I try to relate to the song regardless of who performs it. If it manages to persuade me to appreciate their work, I acknowledge that artist/band. If they have a repertoire of music that I enjoy listening to while being able to relate with it, that is what makes me like them and essentially, become a "fan" of them. Same goes for artists who I don't like.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?

Of course. I always viewed music as a versatile mean to understanding who you are versus math seen as a versatile mean to understanding how the world functions. This is why music is the art and math is the science that I highly appreciate. They make the world open to so much interpretation based on a personal standpoint, which makes life worth living. Appreciate what you are given.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)

Of course not. No peer determines who I am. That's unfair.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so it is completely understandable. It just shows that they view music differently. No one has the correct view of music. Similarly with artists/genres.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)

I have played the violin for eight years, sung for a long time, and self taught myself to play piano by ear occasionally. I plan on taking singing lessons in the future when I have the time. I also plan on picking up acoustic guitar.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?

Long answer short, the people who I love. This includes myself.

EDIT: Oops, forgot to answer the second question. Basically through any form of advertisement or through the people I love.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
13b. If not, why not?
13c. If yes, in what way?

We all change. I'm sure my tastes and preferences have changed. Seems too minuscule to notice though.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?

Overall, to me, music can describe essentially anything words cannot describe. Not only does it serves this purpose, but it does it so elegantly that one should appreciate the work of the composer. This is why music is beautiful in my opinion.

Music also does a good job expressing who I am.

Seems like you've addressed all of the very interesting questions that I can think of. I'll let you know if I come up with anything. Maybe ask a question related to music and one's emotions?