Survey: Define "good" music.

**Winrar** · 03-13-2012, 09:26 PM

Re: Survey: Define "good" music.

Not gonna answer all of these since it's getting late, but i'll do #1.

A good band is one that isn't Nickelback.
A bad band is Nickelback.

Glad to help with the survey!

**Thatskier** · 03-13-2012, 09:52 PM

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0.) Favorite Genres: Indie (Death Cab for Cutie), All forms of electronic (house, dub, progressive you name it), psychedelic rock (MGMT), blues, classic rock, classic funk, new age rock, country, 90s music (Bare Naked Ladies, Counting Crows, Smash Mouth), 80s music (Talking Heads ect ect), 70s, 60s (Dire Straights ect ect), Old school Hip-hop (jurassic 5, atmostpher), pop, alternative, rap.

1a.) I consider good music to have good instrumentals with a fair about of lyrics or good lyrics with a fair about of instrumentals (Dave Mathews Band).

1b.) Hard Metal and Screemo

2.) Yeah look at hard metal heads and people who like screemo

3a.) No i see it from the media (which can be made up, but after seeing recurring evidence i believe it)
3b.) Screemo people enjoy other hardstyle things like tongue piercings and drugs.

4.) Say smooth rock like Dave Mathews Band or Jack Johnson - we are flaming and old people music

5.) I do i have a wide range of preferred genres as seen above.

6.) I dont think i really am, i play instruments i understand music

7.) I try to string song by song before i hit the entire body of work. Many artists make different albums through the years to appeal to new crowds and try knew things (look at Maroon 5)

8.) I think it shows im open to new things. I wouldn't go so far as to getting tattoos over it or being an artistic hipster-type person.

9.) Nope my friends hate it when i listen to some good ol country

10a&b.) We can agree to disagree.

11.) The piano and singing

12.) My older brother used to alot, now its pandora, grooveshark, explorin the youtube

13 in general.) They have not changed, they have expanded i still like the music i did many years ago along with the music i like now. Im an open person.

14.) Everyone should give other music a shot. Music is a huge representation of culture and if you cant even give a different genre one listen to because of your stereo-typical bigotry then you should probably go live in a cave.

**Spenner** · 03-13-2012, 09:52 PM

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1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?

1a

I'll answer the rest later

**UnkownMan** · 03-13-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Choofers

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?

I have no set genres that I consider better than the others. And my choices are so differing that it would be very confusing to place one in front of the other. If I had to choose, then I'd have to say it's a cross between ambient, rock, psychedelic, classical, jazz, noise, trance, etc.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?

I think good music is when all of the different parts and all of the sounds manage to blend together into a perfect harmony. Everything just sounds pleasing to the ears, and you have a wonderful time listening to it. It's the kind of song that makes you go 'Wow... Now that is worth remembering". And while the song might not be pleasing to another person's musical palette, does that mean that another might not enjoy it? It's all subjective.

1b. How about bad music?

Dissonance isn't really my forte when it comes to music (which makes no sense, considering that I willingly listen to Merzbow). Which is why I never listen to the radio. Either something doesn't match up, something sounds really off, or something shouldn't be there. It feels too easy, too simple. And while I love simplicity, I don't enjoy dirt easy experiences. I want to take something for all it is worth and hopefully remember upon it for days to come.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?

Yes. Plain and simple. There are some genres I love, and some genres I despise.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?

I tend to ignore stereotypes, as they add nothing to the musical experience. If they enjoy one thing, that doesn't make them a terrible person simply because I don't enjoy it. And if I think that, then who is the bad person here?

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?

Again, popularity doesn't really bother me when it comes to the music, unless their "fame" is merely infamy. Do I like bands that tend to be popular? Yes. And while the musical industry is flawed beyond a doubt, it still takes a great deal of effort to get noticed, let alone famous/infamous. At least, I feel as though it does.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?

That depends. Do YOU think I have a good taste in music? It's all a matter of opinion. Notice how I haven't been namedropping any of my preferred bands (aside from Merzbow)? Because I know that if names were placed, then you, or others, would either void or warrant what I say because of the factors placed. If I take the factors out, then it's nothing more than an even playing field. Now, personally, I feel as though my taste in music isn't very experienced, so I cannot comment further upon it.

I'll finish this up later. Maybe.

**adlp** · 03-13-2012, 10:04 PM

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will answer this tomorrow in detail

**JiZ53** · 03-13-2012, 10:05 PM

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I like these questions. Whenever i get to a computer(because i am currently using a modified gameboy advanced and it is too much of a pain to answer all of your questions at this point in time) i will answer them at length, maybe.

**Mau5** · 03-13-2012, 10:21 PM

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0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Dubstep/Glitch Hop/House as well as stuff like rock/hip hop

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Anything that gives you goosebumps.

1b. How about bad music?
Repulsive lyrics, too much repetition (Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe)

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Absolutely not. Bands like.. Skrillex? Majority of fans are as smart as acorns. Doesn't mean i don't like his music.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Taylor Swift -> Prepubescent fans

3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
Prepubescence

3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
Bound to trying to party all the time

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
I hate people that dislike bands JUST because they're mainstream. They are mainstream for a reason.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
I like basically every type of music you can think of so i think i have good AND bad taste.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Very well. I tend to focus on music more than anything, almost too much.. Can't do it while i run/do homework/etc

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Not particularly

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Kind of i suppose

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
Nope. I'll listen to anything regardless of what my retard friends think.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Everyone has an opinion. However if you like go to a Youtube video just to say "this song sucks".. You probably have something better to be doing.

10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
See 10a

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Guitar, piano, trumpet, Ableton Live course, Drumcorps, lots of other stuff haha my family has been all out music since my great grandpa was a band director

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
I like music from big promoters like UKF and 1HipHop but i also like music that like doesn't seem to be very popular at all... I normally just stumble across music i like and listen to it 24/7

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Not really

13b. If not, why not?
Cause i like all the music i listen to!

13c. If yes, in what way?

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
Nope
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**noname219** · 03-13-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by UnkownMan

Because I know that if names were placed, then you, or others, would either void or warrant what I say because of the factors placed.

Sometimes the opposite happens.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)? Every subgenre of Metal, Progressive Rock, Post-Rock, Indie Rock/Pop, Folk, Electronic...

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples? Music that can change you as a person.
1b. How about bad music? Music that you try listening with a personnal point of view without considering critics/fans/popularity/genres clich�s and you still doesn't like.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract? Not really, I'm mostly attracted to a band because of his music, not their fans.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres? Sometimes, but I try not to.
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it? As long as the artist makes good music it doesn't matter if their popular or not.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music? From my point of view, I have the best taste in the world. For everybody's else point of view, my tastes are like everybody else.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music? I try to give everything its chances. When I don't like it, I skip it.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis? Song-by-song basis.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona? Yes, mainly part of my identity.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.) Music is very personnal for me and I have difficulties sharing it with others. That said, I make my choices based on my tastes.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general? If it isn't offensive/derogatory, I try to understand why he/she thinks this way.
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres? Everybody has an opinion on everything. Mine differs from everybody and I try to not be affected by theirs. Sometimes it can ruin an album or a band if you believe everything a person says.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.) I had guitar lessons for a year and I play drums on my own since 2-3 years.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other? rateyourmusic.com is my starting point. It's the easiest way for me to find new music that I like.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time? A lot, yes.
13b. If not, why not?
13c. If yes, in what way? I remember listening the Hanson or Spice Girls when I was 7-8. I'm happy I changed. Like really. Then I discovered blink-182, Sum 41, Green Day, The Offspring. Then System of a Down and metal. And so on.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed? Go see that list for my favorite songs atm : http://rateyourmusic.com/list/noname...onus___cookie_

**UnkownMan** · 03-13-2012, 11:06 PM

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However, I think we all can agree that "Lulu" was a piece of shit.

**noname219** · 03-13-2012, 11:13 PM

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Tables around the world approve.

**UnkownMan** · 03-13-2012, 11:15 PM

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**Wineandbread** · 03-13-2012, 11:16 PM

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Oo, this looks fun. I don't remember seeing this a year ago but let's go for it anyway:

Originally posted by Choofers

I posted this about a year ago, and I'm curious to see if people's view on "good" music has changed at all. I'll be posting in a bit.

0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Depends on the mood; usually jazz hop is usually never a bad choice for me though. Orchestral (not limited to classical) is usually pretty nice too

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
I don't think that this is very easily defined because different people are attracted to different tastes/genres. A lot of people try to trash mainstream music, but it isn't always popular just because of social protocol (although it may or may not have a large part to do with it). I'll recommend shit to my friends all the time, and they won't always like what I pick out for them; the same goes for when they ask me to listen to things. So, to be as vague as possible, good music is defined as music you enjoy listening to. It doesn't matter why you enjoy it - it's catchy, or beautiful, or innovative, or humorous - the fact (opinion) of the matter is, you think liked it. And it will keep you coming for more.

1b. How about bad music?
Opposite of good music pretty much: things relative to the listener that they dislike. Just for me personally, I don't think my reactions to bad music have ever been as significant as reacting to a bad taste, or smell, or visual; maybe I just have a dulled sense of musical taste. But I'll call something bad if I think it's bad.

As a sidenote, there's a difference between hilariously good music and hilariously bad music. To make it a little clearer, I don't propose anyone listening to hilariously bad music by themselves to enjoy it; listening it to share with others is almost always the case.

[Edit] Mastering and mixing /sound quality can have a lot to do with how someone enjoys a track tbh. I mean I'm not talking like YOU GOTTA HAVE LOSSLESS BRO, but if you're hearing the clipping or noise from tracks that don't have them, it might affect your enjoyment

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
Genres, no. Artists, sometimes.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
Yeah. And honestly, I'd call bullshit to anyone who doesn't make SOME stereotype. Highlighting "oh, well I knew this one preppy white dude who listened to underground hiphop all the time" is anecdotal and just makes it more emphasized that a genre carries a certain fan stigma. I really wish that these stereotypes didn't happen because it restricts taste.

tl;dr dem nigs be listening to their rap erryday spewing sick lyrical genius about dat monie and dem bitches and dem cars amirite

idk any real stereotypes about jazz hop enthusiasts, but if you guys know any feel free to enlighten me. I don't think I've met a person who has actively hated or disliked on someone like Nujabes before (I mean, his death is kind of a symphathy card and all and it's probably a confounding variable here, but still)

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/hir/it?
I think that it used to for me, but I 'grew up' I guess. When I first got into stepmania, I had that hipster vibe where I basically just listened to "stepmania music" (sup Sharpnel, sup Benn, sup Dream Theater). But it's different now, and I'll take a liking to anything if it sounds good to me.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
Based on 1a), I'm gonna have to go with............ of course! (o:

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
I try to listen with an open slate, but bias can run subconsciously.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
Song-by-song, usually. Again, artist bias creeps in every once in a while.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
I tend to be pretty personal about my music, so it's not something publicly identifiable other than the people who know me. I've been opening up a little more lately though.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
In the past, I might have avoided things my friends liked (~hipster~), but again, it's different now. As an observation though, this phenomenon is real and occurs pretty often (like what I mentioned about mainstream earlier).

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
I don't seem to read much into other people's opinions of music anymore. I've never expected everyone to have the same taste.

To each their own...
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
Same as above. Sometimes I'll make fun of friends for whatever they're listening to, but it's in good fun, and (I am pretty sure) they know I'm kidding; they do it to me all the time too.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
Violin for ~10 years, though I was shitty ):
No formal music theory training.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Mainly friend recommendations, what.cd browsing, last.fm creeping.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Ja
13b. If not, why not?
13c. If yes, in what way?
Well let's just say I'm not always listening to oldie "Stepmania tunes" anymore

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
I don't know if anyone really matured the same way, but getting into the FFR/SM community really helped shape my sense of music. Sounds pretty nerdy right?

Before I joined, I couldn't care for music in the slightest. Music was always background noise to me, even as I was learning violin. I never really appreciated music until I starting playing FFR and SM. Looking back I don't regret googling "DDR simulator" that one day, huehue. Who knows how I would have ended up otherwise ??
So T.Hanks !! (o:

Oh and are you actually going to read all of these xd

**iironiic** · 03-13-2012, 11:47 PM

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I'll answer a few of them since it's getting late:

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
1b. How about bad music?

Any music that describes who I generally am is seen as "good" music to me. Having more of a serene personality, I like to listen to classical music. Occasionally, there is also a "wild" side of me, so in some instances, I would prefer party/dance music haha. Being a very positive person, I don't entirely judge a particular genre as "bad" music. However, there are many songs out there that don't describe me well and that's what I consider "bad" for myself.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?

This is essentially asking me if I admire the way I view myself, and of course I do. Therefore, I believe I have a good taste of music (certainly unique to say the least). I'm sure there are some people who disagree with my music selections and that's perfectly fine since I don't expect everyone to admire what I like to listen to.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?

I think the beauty of music lies in how we all interpret different types of music. When one judges music, there is a considerable amount of subjectivity associated with our reviews. For objectivity, the closest factors are pitch relevancy, tone, and all of the other mechanics of music, but even so, there is a subjective factor behind all of that. Maybe this is based on what I believe, but this supports why I think anyone can sing.

Being an open minded person, I give any type of music a chance to have it try and express who I am. Many times it fails, but in some instances you learn new things about yourself. Regardless of how objective I am, there will always be a subjective factor.

I'll finish more when I wake up since it's getting late here haha.

**DossarLX ODI** · 03-13-2012, 11:55 PM

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0. What is/are your favorite genre(s)?
Ambient. Otherwise, none.

1a. What do you consider good music, either in general or in concrete examples?
Anything with memorability factor, and nostalgia factor can also be a big part.
1b. How about bad music?
Anything incredibly repetitive and long and having no memorability factor.

2. Are you biased against some genres because of the fans they tend to attract?
No.

3a. Do you make assumptions about fans of particular genres?
Sometimes, but usually I don't care.
3b. What are some of the stereotypes you are familiar with?
I don't want to get into this.
3c. What stereotypes exist about fans of your preferred genre?
About ambient listeners? No idea.

4. What role does a band/artist/genre's popularity play in your like or dislike for them/her/it?
Generally it can mean less memorability factor if it's trying to appeal to a bigger audience. But popularity doesn't change the song itself.

5. Do you think you have good taste in music?
Nobody would say I have good taste in music. Not with my abstract factor.

6. How objective do you think you are when you judge music?
Very subjective.

7. Do you judge artists/bands on their entire body of work, or on a song-by-song basis?
I don't even care about artists or bands really, just certain songs. An example is how I basically dislike Drumcorps, but Grist blows everything out of the water.

8. Do you consider your choice of music part of your identity, image or public persona?
Yes, but in a way that's not presentable.

9. Have you ever made choices in music based on what your peers might think of you? (For example, do you avoid a certain genre because your friends think it is without merit? Do you listen to genres you don't particularly like because your friends like them?, etc.)
Out of respect I'd play something they would probably like if I was around them. Playing something such as The Bird's Midair Heatstroke probably wouldn't be liked.

10a. How do you feel/react when someone states an opinion contrary to yours regarding music in general?
Unless it's directly trying to insult me or is unreasonable, I don't really care.
10b. What about particular songs/artists/genres?
Like I've said, I don't really care about artists or bands.

11. Do you have formal musical training? (Such as receiving singing lessons, playing an instrument, etc.)
No.

12. Who influences your choice of music most? How do you find new music? Through which channels? Through advertising/word of mouth/YouTube/reviews/other?
Myself, stepmania, FFR, life in general, and sometimes friends.

13a. Have your tastes or preferences changed over time?
Absolutely.
13b. If not, why not?
13c. If yes, in what way?
Memorability factor. There's usually some part of a song that really remains in my head or some type of other abstract factor.

14. Anything you'd like to add on this subject? Any other questions you wish I'd posed?
I usually dislike long songs, and songs without lyrics can also contain a lot of meaning (abstract/memorability aspects).

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