The 'Revolution' Controller

[suicidalmuskrat]

Chromer, you would use the shell pictured for a game like SSB3, or so nForcer is assuming. Mead, I'm not forcing my opinion. EB is being ignorant. Nintendo could simply add an attachment which is exactly the same as the Xbox controller. That's the point I'm trying to get across. And we're not judging just from preemptive photos, we're judging because Nintendo or a publisher can do whatever they want in that attachment. So to say that you don't like the design is just ignorance. Perhaps a year after release and there are no good add ons and you can't play fighting games, then I'll listen. Until then, we just have to assume that since the perfect set up is possible, that they will use it. It'd be like me saying that you can't do sports games on the PS3 if you only use one hand and one button. Yeah, it would be very hard to do a good sports game, but why wouldn't you take advantage of what you have before you?

[Omeganitros]

Dude...







I can imagine it now.



Being able to masterfully control Ness' PK Thunder with ease.

[Squeek]

Being able to masterfully control Ness' PK Thunder with ease.

QFE&T x1000

HOLY CRAP WIN

In other news.

The thing that excites me most with this is the reminder of just how much fun I have with games that involve so much more than just sitting there hitting buttons. First game I did this with using hands and not feet (we all had that NES game where you run in place, right?) was Duck Hunt. Ownage fun. Several other NES games used this, and times were good. Then people strayed from that.

Until Eye Toy came out. And the fun times were once again had by all. But Eye Toy was limited and nobody wanted to make games for it. So, that died.

Until one day I found Dance Maniax. Another Bemani game. Uses motion sensors to detect hand movement. Hard, fun, and excellent.

What I'm really hoping is that the sword-fight in the video wasn't an exaggeration. I really wanna slash in different ways and even dodge by backing up. That. Would. Own.

~Squeek

PS - Knowing my luck with swinging things, this controller is going to fly out of my hand and hit a nearby wall. Knowing the durability of Nintendo products, it should be fine. Here's hoping.

[evilbutterfly]

Wait wait wait wait wait!

we just have to assume that since the perfect set up is possible, that they will use it

So we HAVE to assume best case scenario? Well in that case, I'm assuming that everybody will design just for the PS3 because it will have the most raw power. Why is this a big deal? Graphics? Hell no, fuck graphics. I want crazy huge maps and complex AI and tons of shit going on on the screen at the same time, making every game I play full of huge hectic fights that just AREN'T PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE ON ANY OTHER SYSTEM. Will this actually happen? May be. Will any other console be able to do it? No. So since we're doing best case scenarios for all the consoles, I would have to pick between "HOLY SHIT THERE ARE 5000 PEOPLE ON THE SCREEN AND I HAVE A SWORD AND 10 RESPONSIVE AI TEAMMATES UNDER MY COMMAND AND I AM ON AN ELEPHANT BECAUSE DYNASTY WARRIORS HAS TO HAVE ELEPHANTS AND I WANT TO KILL EVERYTHING IN BEAUTIFUL DETAIL" and "HOLY CRAP MY CONTROLLER LOOKS LIKE A REMOTE AND THE POLYGON COUNT IS LOWER BUT I CAN SHOOT WHEREVER I WANT WHILE DODGING AROUND WITH THIS STICK THING IN MY OTHER HAND AND IT'S LIKE 3D DUCK HUNT OMFGWTFBBQLOL I LOVE THIS!" I would have to go with the PS3.

I just find it hilarious that you call me ignorant when I just don't have the same interest as you do, and when you're ignorant of 1) How stupid it is to assume best case scenarios and 2) What I actually want in the console. I play consoles for console games. That remote thing (to me, at least) seems especially good at doing things that I love using my trackball for. The demos they picked to show this reflect this. A flight sim and a first person shooter? Those are games I would play on my computer, with a trackball, and I wouldn't go buy a console just so I can have a better control. And don't even be like "well you can get add ons so it's like a normal controller!!" What is the sense in that? That's like if you have 2 cars and one is a ton faster, and you're all about getting the slow one just because it has the space to put a bigger, better engine. You might as well just get the one that has what you want in the first place.

And yes, I realize that this is a big fat innovation. The generation of consoles after this will all undoubtedly have motion sensors so that people can tilt and swing their controllers however they want to get the desired effect. Microsoft and Sony aren't stupid either. All 3 companies are trying vastly different things. Sony lost the power battle last time, so that's their main focus with the PS3. Microsoft is all about that damn online community thing they have going on. Nintendo is all about staying fresh because without that they'd be so far behind that they wouldn't exist anymore in the console world. Lots of developers will go to Sony because of the sheer power that the PS3 has, and because of the things that power will make possible. Lots of developers will go to Nintendo because of this new controller dealy, because it'll be the only way they can make their weird yet innovative game. By the time it's time to make new consoles, the big 3 will be looking at the results. Saying Nintendo is so much smarter than Sony and Microsoft is just dumb. Sony and Microsoft just let Nintendo do all the research and let them be experimental, because people let Nintendo fuck around and do whatever. If they do something good, they get copied. Like rumble packs. N64 had it first, then Sony copied it. The Rev has all this motion sensing stuff first, but trust me, they will just get copied and nobody will even care about it anymore because it will be so common.

I swear, being called ignorant pisses me off. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Sol_Solis]

And yes, I realize that this is a big fat innovation. The generation of consoles after this will all undoubtedly have motion sensors so that people can tilt and swing their controllers however they want to get the desired effect. Microsoft and Sony aren't stupid either. All 3 companies are trying vastly different things. Sony lost the power battle last time, so that's their main focus with the PS3. Microsoft is all about that damn online community thing they have going on. Nintendo is all about staying fresh because without that they'd be so far behind that they wouldn't exist anymore in the console world. Lots of developers will go to Sony because of the sheer power that the PS3 has, and because of the things that power will make possible. Lots of developers will go to Nintendo because of this new controller dealy, because it'll be the only way they can make their weird yet innovative game. By the time it's time to make new consoles, the big 3 will be looking at the results. Saying Nintendo is so much smarter than Sony and Microsoft is just dumb. Sony and Microsoft just let Nintendo do all the research and let them be experimental, because people let Nintendo $*%# around and do whatever. If they do something good, they get copied. Like rumble packs. N64 had it first, then Sony copied it. The Rev has all this motion sensing stuff first, but trust me, they will just get copied and nobody will even care about it anymore because it will be so common.

tru dat.
That's kind of mean though :\

[Squeek]

By the way, just to add fuel to the fire.



Nintendo had a device that could detect motion in a controller without using an analog stick back in the days of N64. You would tilt your controller to make it turn the way you wanted it.

Since you say everybody will have this innovative technology, I say it's not that new.

~Squeek

[Kilgamayan]

(we all had that NES game where you run in place, right?)

The track meet game? I had that, but found Short Order to be loads more fun.

PowerPad ftw!

[-Fallen-]

OK guys. First of all, the GCN controller will probably not be used for any Revolution games. Seond, perhaps you still don't get it. This controller can be anything. An additional addon is going to be a controller shell. It's going to look like a standard controller. It's going to have your two analog sticks, and all your buttons, but since the freehand 'remote' will slide inside the controller shell, you will still get all the motion/tilt sensing that makes it so unique.

IGN made a rough mockup, but it definitely illustrates the point:


So all of you worried about it's functionality with ANY genre, have no fear. An easy way to think of it is that with the shell you'll basically be getting a fully functioning controller, with a mouse. So what can be find to (!@#! about that? Well let's hear it EB, tny, fallen, LD...I'm interested.

EDIT: It's not about seperate desires and wants, at least not to me...It's about you not getting it yet. And Nintendo's intended market is everyone, obviously.

P.S.: EB, you should replace the lightgun in your sig with the new controller.

The best controller's in my opinion are PS1/PS2 because they aren't GIGANTIC like the N64 one's and the Dreamcast one's and now the Revolution's. I hate controllers that are that big, even if you get a neat little gagdet controller type thing to turn your Revolution on and off and shit, what a lame ass design.

[suicidalmuskrat]

EB, we can continue this privately if you'd like. You've misinterpreted about 30% of what I've said. IM is SuicidalMuskrat. I had a nice long response wrote out, but decided I'd rather not continue the discussion here.

[Chromer]

But think about it guys. That was only a rough mock-up. I have a feeling that even if they released so said shell, it definitely won't look like a cross between a GC controller and an X-Box controller. Plus Seanbaby hates it, and we all know Seanbaby is the Shiz. 8)

[Chromer]

Do you want to pay $299+ and find out that it doesnt feel the way you would like it too? Didn't think so.

[esupin]

Nintendo had a device that could detect motion in a controller without using an analog stick back in the days of N64. You would tilt your controller to make it turn the way you wanted it.

Since you say everybody will have this innovative technology, I say it's not that new.

~Squeek

Like Pokemon Pinball, Kirby's Tilt'n'tumble, some GBA games, too. It might be less sophisticated than the Revolution controller, but pretty much the same concept.

[Tasuke]

The best controller's in my opinion are PS1/PS2 because they aren't GIGANTIC like the N64 one's and the Dreamcast one's and now the Revolution's. I hate controllers that are that big, even if you get a neat little gagdet controller type thing to turn your Revolution on and off and (#$%, what a lame ass design.

That isn't the revolution controller. That little remote thing in the center is.
The big thing is just a shell that can be used to make it feel more normal.

[Chromer]

Make the controller more user friendly and we won't have to use a shell, Nintendo....

[Squeek]

YOU WON'T HAVE TO USE THE SHELL.

WATCH THE VIDEO. THERE IS NONE.

~Squeek