TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

[roundbox]

TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession

Hosted by: roundbox
Prosecution Wins
MVP: Prosecution team


1. Shadow_God_10 Miles Edgeworth - Lost at endgame.
2. mellonxcollie Unimportant Witness - Lost at endgame.
3. Hakulyte Unimportant Witness - Convicted during recess Night 2.
4. flashflash account Unimportant Witness - Convicted by vote on Day 0
5. FreezinIce Matt Engarde - WON AT ENDGAME!
6. YoshL Winston Payne - WON AT ENDGAME!
7. fatfuck42 Unimportant Witness - Lost at endgame.
8. TWGma Unimportant Witness - Lost at endgame.
9. Funnygurl555 SubaruPoptart Unimportant Witness - Convicted by vote on Day 1
10. the sun fan Franziska von Karma - WON AT ENDGAME!
11. Xiz Unimportant Witness - Convicted during recess Night 1.
12. DaBackpack Maya Fey - Lost at endgame.
13. Ulleabhara Unimportant Witness - Convicted during recess Night 1.


Host Comments:
Setup roll pastedump:

Player list:
1. Shadow_God_10
2. mellonxcollie
3. Hakulyte
4. flashflash account
5. FreezinIce
6. YoshL
7. fatfuck42
8. TWGma
9. Funnygurl555
10. the sun fan
11. Xiz
12. DaBackpack
13. Ulleabhara

DEFENSE ROLLS: (rolled simultaneously with prosecution)
3 (Miles), 2 (Maya)

PROSECUTION ROLLS: (rolled simultaneously with defense)
2 (Franziska), 4 (Engarde)

RANDOMIZED ROLE LIST:
Miles Edgeworth (Defense)
Unimportant Witness
Unimportant Witness
Unimportant Witness
Engarde
Winston Payne
Unimportant Witness
Unimportant Witness
Unimportant Witness
Franziska von Karma
Unimportant Witness
Maya Fey
Unimportant Witness

COMPLETE ROLE/PLAYER LIST:
1. Shadow_God_10 - Miles Edgeworth (Defense)
2. mellonxcollie - Unimportant Witness
3. Hakulyte - Unimportant Witness
4. flashflash account - Unimportant Witness
5. FreezinIce - Matt Engarde
6. YoshL - Winston Payne
7. fatfuck42 - Unimportant Witness
8. TWGma - Unimportant Witness
9. Funnygurl555 - Unimportant Witness
10. the sun fan - Franziska von Karma
11. Xiz - Unimportant Witness
12. DaBackpack - Maya Fey
13. Ulleabhara - Unimportant Witness

Night actions were inconsequential:
n1 - DaBackpack shoots Ulleabhara, YoshL wolf kills Xiz, the sun fan blocks Hakulyte (nothing happens), Shadow_God_10 jails Funnygurl555 and applies loved (lol at how this turned out)
n2 - YoshL wolf kills Hakulyte, Shadow_God_10 jails TWGma and applies hated, the sun fan blocks fatfuck42

Well played Freezin, sunfan, and YoshL for a solid wolf sweep. You always love/hate/love to see the voterush.

[Shadow_God_10]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

I loved Funny so much I ended up killing Subaru

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

gg's

wolf ROMP

i spilled my guts alot in the wolf chat but ill probably post some stuff here too later

[YoshL]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

woof

tbh i wanna know if like anything specific was tipping people off of wolfiness outside of poe and meta

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

You 3 have something in common.

I believe town sincerely believe that you're all really good assets for solving the game when we approach late game.
So, this gives you all the advantage of making people not want to even get interested into evaluating you.
I don't believe what any of you were doing wasn't something you would not do as town. I do believe that certain things were not happening, but it's easy to understand why.

Freezin usually push players more actively after posting mechanical stuff. He did try to do that a little, but he didn't commit enough to get a top town read.
Sunfan normally try to solve a little more and meme a little less when town is getting stomped like that. Still, I feel like he did this anyway because he could afford to and still win.
Yoshl, it's more like you didn't post anything that might shift the momentum of the game as well. Everything you posted kind of made sense, but it wasn't really moving the game forward.

The problem is that even if I pointed that out in a game, town's situation was so bad that it would be really really easy to discard it. You guys were pressure free because town had too many problems.

ps: I think having 3 wolves win and also be top town is not worth the risk. It makes people want to give you more attention and expect more from you.
Being a mid range town-null read is ideal because it's like the place where you're fine, but not as solicited.
So, really, I feel like this is as good as it gets for what this game needed.

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Town tunneled itself into the FG/T-Force world that would evolve into Plop/T-Force world.
Town shot a townie that gave no information.
All the night actions were wasted.
The claims didn't help much for clearing players.
No wolf flipped.
No PR flipped earlier to make town be forced to evaluate players more seriously.
The PR claims supported the wrong world.

Pushing wolves for the right reasons here was too low in priority. Town needed to evaluate a world where Plop/T-Force are town and that never fully happened.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

really good analysis haku

[Ulleabhara]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

I already said this in dead chat, but I think it bears repeating:

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

I think dbp's shot was the right move mechanically, but other than that quibble i think i agree with everything you posted.

The PRs being already consensus townread was really just a devastating and almost irredeemable blow to town considering where the gamestate was on the final day.

I think the game wouldve gone a whole lot differently if either Tforce or plop was blue in that situation and i remember saying to my team that if that happens that would be a pretty bad situation for us.

Thankfully it did not come to pass

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

I did consider other worlds where Plop was town, the problem is that almost every single one of them had sunfan as a wolf, and most of them had sunfan and Freezin as wolves together, which I thought was impossible at that point. The Plop lynch felt inevitable, unfortunately.

[flashflash account]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

game was lost when I got killed d1 for no solid reason

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

^ the entire game does not revolve around you believe it or not

there were a series of missteps in addition to the wolves playing well. GG wolves

[flashflash account]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

game was lost when a random townie got lynched for no real reason

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

^ the entire game does not revolve around you believe it or not

there were a series of missteps in addition to the wolves playing well. GG wolves

We did it. I didn't wolf read you for no reason.

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

GG everyone! And thanks roundbox for hosting! Sorry for getting steamed at the end there, but I was still having fun, lol...

Sunfan, that was some of the best wolfing I've ever seen. You knocked it out of the park!

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

woof

tbh i wanna know if like anything specific was tipping people off of wolfiness outside of poe and meta

For me, your analysis seemed off. It didn't seem like the way you were playing and the approach you were taking would lead you to the hunches and conclusions you were coming up with, if that makes sense.