TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

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  • XelNya
    [Kaho]
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Sep 2012
    • 3368

    #91
    Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

    Originally posted by YoshL
    I really don't think there's anything wrong with not liking written depictions of violence.

    labeling that, and also being respectful of people with those thoughts as "being 5 years old" is moreso where the general toxicity of this site stems from - lack of respect for people who think differently than you.

    People have different opinions, views, and walks of life. respect it or leave middie.
    1. I think it's the precedent, or rather the actual "bigger picture" that it affects, where we're about to move the post what is allowed and as time goes on we're gonna keep doing that, because the far end of the extreme is going to inch ever closer.

    2. You want me to be genuinely toxic? Even in all of this, I haven't personally attacked anyone, or brought stuff from outside the game in. I can call what you're saying "fucking stupid" and it's not an attack that "you are stupid." They don't corelate that way, unless you like shoving words in folks mouths. Are you the old FFR mods? The ones that banned me multiple times for shitting on simfiles in a juvenile way so hard it got under people's skin?

    3. OH MY GOD I WAS JUST SO UNAWARE. Again, it doesn't corelate that way.

    Originally posted by T-Force
    I'm gonna cherry-pick this comment with my 2 cents.
    You adding a lot of swearing does the opposite. It dulls your posts and lessens their effect due to how often you use them.
    If you ever made a post that was descriptive, serious, and DIDN'T resort to cursing, then I'd pay attention.
    I dunno, it seems pretty damn effective if we're that worried about our language driving away new players. Seems like it matters a lot, and still works. Star-Crossed literally doesn't respond to it.

    So it works.

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    I think I'm with YoshL on this one. Lewdy was very obviously joking and being hyperbolic, and he didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings, but that's not "the point", Xel.

    Questions like this are more about the "bigger picture": what kind of culture do we want to cultivate for FFRTWG? What behaviors do we want to reward? What are we "okay" with letting slide as a part of the social game? These are all things that have been weighing on many of our minds, especially post-toxicity thread.

    We all love this community and we want to see it thrive. I, for one, think one of the most effective ways of continuing the site's legacy of excellence is to sometimes take that step back and ask ourselves, "what standard of conduct do we want to be known for?" and "is this <behavior X> really something that we want to normalize?"

    I think a part of it is that we're all older now and have matured to the point where we've come to realize that certain behaviors that we've come to accept dogmatically as "part of the game" really don't actually HAVE to be that way.

    It is important to have these discussions so that we can really emphasize the positive, fun parts of TWG and leave the rest behind... so that we can all feel comfortable and have a good time. Because at the end of the day TWG is just a game.
    The bigger picture is that you're all trying to sanitize a game because you're trying to be worried about people who aren't here yet.

    I'd like to post an excerpt from the actual rules thread for TWG.

    Originally posted by thesunfan
    19) TWG is a game not for the faint of heart. Emotions are often manipulated within the game. Players may attempt to anger or upset other players for strategic reasons. All of this is legal. Consistently flaming one or more players at such a point where it has gone outside the realm of the game and into personal quarrels is not legal.
    Nothing, both in the toxicity thread, nor this current game, has broken this rule. This is the only rule about how manners in the game should be conducted. Even then, it's a rule saying stuff is going to be heated, it's more of a warning.

    You know what did break this rule? The time I called Roundbox a white-knight, or the game I played with an avatar that said "Safe Space" on a white background. Those clearly break the rules if you know the back story to either of them.

    You want to keep TWG as just a game?

    Grow up. Ignore it like everyone else, and stop putting the warm milk in the bottle for the children, they're gonna cry themselves to sleep eventually.

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    • Shadow_God_10
      Somewhere, but not here
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Mar 2006
      • 2218

      #92
      Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

      Originally posted by XelNya
      Grow up. Ignore it like everyone else, and stop putting the warm milk in the bottle for the children, they're gonna cry themselves to sleep eventually.
      Boil the milk... Hear the screams of the innocent, and sleep peacefully at night.

      Originally posted by Svaz
      more like Shad-hoe God am I right haha
      Originally posted by mellon_collie
      TIL women have breasts because of horniness
      Originally posted by bugkid666
      sunfan I fucked up
      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
      Xel claiming that I am incapable of making mistakes and using that logic to paint me as scum does things to my body that I thought only Lewdy's stash could do

      Originally posted by Funnygurl555
      your hentai collection is commendable. i am both in awe and afraid of you
      Originally posted by DaBackpack
      might quit having sex every day and focus more on shooting myself in the testicles with an elephant gun

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      • XelNya
        [Kaho]
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Sep 2012
        • 3368

        #93
        Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

        Originally posted by Shadow_God_10
        Boil the milk... Hear the screams of the innocent, and sleep peacefully at night.
        xXbRuuTaLxXx

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        • the sun fan
          FFR Player
          • Mar 2017
          • 643

          #94
          Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

          Originally posted by FreezinIce
          FFR is a pretty good place somehow
          :*)
          TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

          FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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          • YoshL
            Celestial Harbor
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Aug 2008
            • 6156

            #95
            Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

            Originally posted by XelNya
            Stop trying to take silly posts and make them serious, you fucking moron.

            I am not calling you a fucking moron for effect, I mean it this time.
            Originally posted by XelNya
            2. You want me to be genuinely toxic? Even in all of this, I haven't personally attacked anyone, or brought stuff from outside the game in.
            *shrug*

            back when I first joined twg, I got yelled at by V that insults were part of the game, and a lot of my game built and expanded upon that, and put me very squarely in "not actually that fun to play with" section of twg.

            in the end, it costs 0$ to care about the community, and the individual people that play the game. A response to "i didn't like xyz during the game" shouldn't be met with condescension and bitter sarcasm.


            Originally posted by Charu
            Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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            • the sun fan
              FFR Player
              • Mar 2017
              • 643

              #96
              Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

              gotta be honest, I was avoiding this postgame for a while

              its... not as bad as I thought it was going to be

              I'm still totally at a loss for how to handle toxicity, I'm not going to lie. I don't know what to do. Other moderators seem more sure of themselves than I am on this.

              I don't want to punish anyone for toxicity at any time. I don't think anything in this game got there. I don't think that this postgame needed to be like this.

              I am biased here. I like ffa. I do think he sometimes doesn't have the care for other people's feelings (I specifically am talking about when you got banned on ZeldaDungeon for your comments on Dexgate, ffa). I like him in spite of this, because I think he's an interesting person to talk to, we share interests in pokemon, and I enjoy very greatly the fact that two people of differing political stances (to certain extents) in the current times can get along.

              I acknowledge people's opinions on ffa. I am not going to say you have to like comments he makes. It is my personal belief that he doesn't think highly of himself in any way in mafia, and just is commenting the same way someone taking a selfie of their beergut with the caption "just got back from the gym, check out my 6-pack" while holding a real 6-pack is meant to be funny while also somewhat depricating. (But I think more highly of ffa than maybe he does in mafia? not super relevant)

              I would ask people to read some of his posts with that context, even if he doesn't come across that way, I feel like I virtually know that is his intention. I have seen him in other communities, plural, and it does hurt to see people gang up on someone I like like this, even if I know its because of their own perceptions that I can see as valid.

              I have said before that I don't think ffa ever got over his first impression, it took a long time for me to forget that he got modkilled in his first three games on FFR. I ask the impossible when I say that people should rewind time and go back before then, I don't think it ends up this way.

              But I wish it could happen.

              I like you guys a lot, this place is something I check literally every day for almost the past decade (nerd). I will remember some of the stuff for the rest of my life, and it really makes me sad when stuff like this happens. I don't know what I can do here, there might be nothing, idk.
              TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

              FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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              • FreezinIce
                FFR Player
                • May 2005
                • 247

                #97
                Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                i dont think anyone is actually upset at ffa though.
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                To let the world be.

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                Originally posted by Charu
                Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


                Originally posted by mellon_collie
                AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
                Originally posted by roundbox
                AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


                Originally posted by Afrobean
                Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
                Originally posted by Red
                My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
                Originally posted by TWG Ike
                SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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                • FreezinIce
                  FFR Player
                  • May 2005
                  • 247

                  #98
                  Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                  speaking from experience yeah he derped alot when he first started playing here but he also had really good games later on especially when he rolls blue.

                  And speaking from this game, when shadow attacked FFA for expecting other players to lead d0 i was more than happy to join him. Not because i thought shadow was right at all, but because i could already tell FFA being alive with those thoughts and expectations would be very adversarial to my gameplan. I did NOT want to lead town or do any more work solving than the bare minimum, so i wanted FFA gone ASAP.

                  FFA made me sweat more d0 then anyone else did the rest of the game and it wasnt even close. He has come a long way in my eyes since he started here and I will always respect him as a player even if nobody else does (despite what i may say sometimes lol)
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                  To let the world be.

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                  Originally posted by Charu
                  Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


                  Originally posted by mellon_collie
                  AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
                  Originally posted by roundbox
                  AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


                  Originally posted by Afrobean
                  Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
                  Originally posted by Red
                  My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
                  Originally posted by TWG Ike
                  SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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                  • FreezinIce
                    FFR Player
                    • May 2005
                    • 247

                    #99
                    Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                    That being said, i do like myself some scantily clad anime avatars so FFA gets a wierdchamp from me for being a prude on that
                    Last edited by FreezinIce; 12-2-2020, 10:21 PM.
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                    To let the world be.

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                    Originally posted by Charu
                    Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


                    Originally posted by mellon_collie
                    AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
                    Originally posted by roundbox
                    AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


                    Originally posted by Afrobean
                    Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
                    Originally posted by Red
                    My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
                    Originally posted by TWG Ike
                    SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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                    • Shadow_God_10
                      Somewhere, but not here
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 2218

                      #100
                      Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                      Originally posted by FreezinIce
                      That being said, i do like myself some scantily clad anime avatars so FFA gets a wierdchamp from me for being a prude on that
                      I have more.... suggestive avatar things that I could PROBABLY get away with

                      But I think I'll stick with this one for a long time

                      Originally posted by Svaz
                      more like Shad-hoe God am I right haha
                      Originally posted by mellon_collie
                      TIL women have breasts because of horniness
                      Originally posted by bugkid666
                      sunfan I fucked up
                      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                      Xel claiming that I am incapable of making mistakes and using that logic to paint me as scum does things to my body that I thought only Lewdy's stash could do

                      Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                      your hentai collection is commendable. i am both in awe and afraid of you
                      Originally posted by DaBackpack
                      might quit having sex every day and focus more on shooting myself in the testicles with an elephant gun

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                      • mellon_collie
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2017
                        • 147

                        #101
                        Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                        I get that you guys are friends but he basically insulted Lewdy (very harshly) for no reason and brought drama to the post game also for no reason. and you can't tell me Lewdys mild criticism warranted that response

                        basically being toxic by suggesting others are doing so

                        not cool imo

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                        • Shadow_God_10
                          Somewhere, but not here
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 2218

                          #102
                          Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                          Btw for those wondering about my Christmas present.

                          It's a Rias Gremory mousepad, with her breasts as the wrist rests. Just put your wrist between them and you're good to go!

                          Am I a pro gamer yet?

                          Originally posted by Svaz
                          more like Shad-hoe God am I right haha
                          Originally posted by mellon_collie
                          TIL women have breasts because of horniness
                          Originally posted by bugkid666
                          sunfan I fucked up
                          Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                          Xel claiming that I am incapable of making mistakes and using that logic to paint me as scum does things to my body that I thought only Lewdy's stash could do

                          Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                          your hentai collection is commendable. i am both in awe and afraid of you
                          Originally posted by DaBackpack
                          might quit having sex every day and focus more on shooting myself in the testicles with an elephant gun

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                          • Bolth mannn
                            FFR Veteran
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 2228

                            #103
                            Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                            gg wolves, was fun to read

                            this postgame is upsetting

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                            • FreezinIce
                              FFR Player
                              • May 2005
                              • 247

                              #104
                              Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                              Originally posted by Shadow_God_10
                              Btw for those wondering about my Christmas present.

                              It's a Rias Gremory mousepad, with her breasts as the wrist rests. Just put your wrist between them and you're good to go!

                              Am I a pro gamer yet?
                              us mortals can only look upon you with envy
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                              To let the world be.

                              ========

                              Originally posted by Charu
                              Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


                              Originally posted by mellon_collie
                              AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
                              Originally posted by roundbox
                              AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


                              Originally posted by Afrobean
                              Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
                              Originally posted by Red
                              My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
                              Originally posted by TWG Ike
                              SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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                              • FreezinIce
                                FFR Player
                                • May 2005
                                • 247

                                #105
                                Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [Postgame Thread]

                                to clarify my praise of FFA as a player definitely didnt extend to him lashing out in the postgame for what seems like almost no reason

                                Dont even know what FFA was on about because then his tone went from serious to semi-jokey in no time flat.
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                                To let the world be.

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                                Originally posted by Charu
                                Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


                                Originally posted by mellon_collie
                                AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
                                Originally posted by roundbox
                                AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


                                Originally posted by Afrobean
                                Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
                                Originally posted by Red
                                My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
                                Originally posted by TWG Ike
                                SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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