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  • DukAmok
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2004
    • 1841

    #1

    stepmania double standard?

    in playing vunderbar, an idea came to me.

    how exactly is (good) "freeform" worse than "technical"

    im speaking specifically to the part with the 24th skips. i assume that it follows the music, since aps good with that, and i know at least the arrow patterns follow the melodic line, switching patterns when it switches tones.

    now play any of my "streamy" files. lets call up one that people like to harp on: black dragon. so in the beginning of black dragon, it has this kind of offbeat 16th pattern in the guitar, which i follow using the same method of "when the tone changes, switch patterns". so theres this kind of pattern of xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxxx repeat. so i follow that using little triple patterns (424 686 424) followed by a "4" pattern (4826). to me, its freeform, because i dont specifically think about following pitch, more about following accents with the flow of notes.

    even better, lets talk about dark tower of abyss. i do the EXACT same thing that ap did, which is instead of make longass jacks to the rhythm on the same note, pick two arrows, then follow the rhythm on that, then switch arrows when the tone changes. but somehow, since rhapsody plays 16ths mainly, instead of 24th skips, im left with a 484848484848482828282828 type pattern. it follows the music in EXACTLY the same way aps did. why is mine not "technical"?

    im just tired of certain files being held up to the spotlight as technical masterpieces when the exact same object couldve been obtained using a more "freeform" style.
  • dballin4
    FFR Player
    • Mar 2005
    • 1082

    #2
    Re: stepmania double standard?

    Rhapsody sucks cock. end of story.

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    • talisman
      Resident Penguin
      FFR Simfile Author
      • May 2003
      • 4598

      #3
      Re: stepmania double standard?

      depends on the song and the part. If it's only got like four notes and it's repeating... then it should be the same four arrows over and over again. If there's a scale it should go from either right to left or left to right, or, if it's longer, back and forth from left to right. I dunno. Some things make sense.

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      • Patashu
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Apr 2006
        • 8609

        #4
        Re: stepmania double standard?

        I still don't get what makes a simfile technical and what doesn't.

        <.<;
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        • DukAmok
          FFR Player
          • Apr 2004
          • 1841

          #5
          Re: stepmania double standard?

          ...so someone explain to me how freeform is different than technical. maybe im missing something.

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          • Z3ratul
            FFR Player
            • Jun 2004
            • 940

            #6
            Re: stepmania double standard?

            I'm a pitch man =/
            Originally posted by Grandiagod
            My father rapes me with logging equipment and my mother is a three legged grizzly bear going through menopause.

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            • ducky285
              FFR Player
              • Oct 2005
              • 1388

              #7
              Re: stepmania double standard?

              Originally posted by DukAmok
              ...so someone explain to me how freeform is different than technical. maybe im missing something.

              freeform - using arbitrary patterns

              technical - using certain patterns to match the music as exactly as possible. Usually based on pitch, but can also refer to assignment of certain patterns to certain melodic or rhythmic lines.

              I like to use the term "semi-technical" to describe patterns that are freeform for the most part, but retain certain technical aspects.
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              • DukAmok
                FFR Player
                • Apr 2004
                • 1841

                #8
                Re: stepmania double standard?

                okay see thats what i thought

                the point im trying to make

                is that i guess "semi technical" free form is virtually indistinguishable from technical, but somehow ADVERTISING a file as technical somehow ups the "quality" of it. and im of the opinion that thats bs

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                • Patashu
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 8609

                  #9
                  Re: stepmania double standard?

                  Okay, everything I've done so far is freeform.

                  I hope you guys won't shun me for this.
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                  • Zaghurim
                    FFR Player
                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 3664

                    #10
                    Re: stepmania double standard?

                    Semi technical freeform is different from technical in that it doesn't repeat the patterns as much. Freeform used on random techno stuff and 16th riffing isn't bad at all IMO, it makes the file more fun to play, but when you have stuff with OBVIOUS pitch like piano and eurobeat synthlines (and scales whenever they're used) I think it's just gay not to take a technical approach.

                    For example, Vertex Beta would be kinda weird with a technical approach (or rather, I don't think that'd be possible, haha), but Jurs OP would be boring with freeform.

                    Also, Duk, you're trying to compare a Rhapsody 16th stream for 4 minutes with Vunderbar.

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                    • macgravel
                      Resident Poopbutt
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • May 2004
                      • 2405

                      #11
                      Re: stepmania double standard?

                      Honestly, I don't care about "technical" or "freeform" files, as long as I get to have fun.
                      People "hate" stream files now, and they are all jumping in on the trendwagon.
                      But me, I freakin' loves stream files, it's tons of fun for me.

                      Anyone agree with me? (I highly doubt it)

                      Originally posted by Zaghurim
                      Also, Duk, you're trying to compare a Rhapsody 16th stream for 4 minutes with Vunderbar.
                      rofl

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                      • Patashu
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 8609

                        #12
                        Re: stepmania double standard?

                        Originally posted by macgravel
                        Honestly, I don't care about "technical" or "freeform" files, as long as I get to have fun.
                        People "hate" stream files now, and they are all jumping in on the trendwagon.
                        But me, I freakin' loves stream files, it's tons of fun for me.

                        Anyone agree with me? (I highly doubt it)



                        rofl
                        I actually agree, huge streams are -sexy-. And 32nd streams get me all hot and bothered.
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                        http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                        http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                        Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
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                        • braintrust
                          FFR Player
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 182

                          #13
                          Re: stepmania double standard?

                          I love stream files. I hate -xxx xxxx xjumpxxx xxxx xjump...- files though. I think streams are fun, but I like them best in a song like We Met Dat Night (although that IS triplets, ah well). It should at least follow the music. Files should be fun, I guess that's all I have to say.

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                          • FFR4EVA_00
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 1770

                            #14
                            Re: stepmania double standard?

                            The repeating 24ths were very confusing to follow. It was a bit too technical at that point.

                            btw anyone who doesn't play it with an xmod should be shot
                            Last edited by FFR4EVA_00; 06-2-2006, 10:05 AM.
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                            • DukAmok
                              FFR Player
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 1841

                              #15
                              Re: stepmania double standard?

                              Originally posted by Zaghurim
                              Also, Duk, you're trying to compare a Rhapsody 16th stream for 4 minutes with Vunderbar.

                              i decided to take some extreme examples

                              and i guess i agree with zag. in that technical patterns on some songs, like Air or vertex beta, would get amazingly boring. i wouldnt go so far as to say freeform is boring or "wrong" on "obvious" synth lines though. take fun fun pharoah. yours is great technically, but reachs is still pretty fun, while using just random patterns.

                              i think i get it now though.

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