Ranking System?

[stargroup100]

So for KeyBeat we're currently trying to decide how we want to go about score recording in terms of how to rank people. Right now, we decided on the following system:

Players with the exact same score are ranked equally:
1 - 100
1 - 100
1 - 100
4 - 99
4 - 99
6 - 98

Later scores are placed on top, earlier scores are pushed down:

Before:
Player1 - 100

After:
Player2 - 100
Player1 - 100

If a player who was placed at the bottom (for example, Player1 in the previous example) refreshes this score by achieving it again, his or her score does NOT go back up to the top.


The reasoning for this is that we want the same scores to be ranked equally, but we also want players to are the first to achieve a score be able to see this, without making the #1 spot permanently locked down and unable to be changed if someone achieves full flawless.

If anyone else has some suggestions or comments, feel free to contribute. All input is appreciated.

[Nullifidian]

Re: Ranking System?

It's basically FFR's ranking system right now, but to be honest I think it's more of an achievement if you give the player who got a flawless score first the top position while still giving every subsequent player who gets a flawless score a #1 spot below the person before them.

[Dynam0]

Re: Ranking System?

I would like to see the oldest high scores on the top personally. If someone was the first to achieve 'X' then they should be on top. The same thing applies in racing games; if there is a tie between two best times, the player who achieved the time first is on top.

[stargroup100]

Re: Ranking System?

Here's the problem I see though.

Whoever plays the game first could go through all of the easy charts and get full flawless on all of them, and be permanently locked in the #1 spot for many many of the levels. Anyone who checks the scores will primarily see this one person and only this one person.

I don't want a single person (or even a couple) getting all of the glory that will never ever be changed, just because they were the first to pick up the game. This isn't an issue on higher difficulty songs where the performance matters, but for easy songs you don't leave much room for any other players.

[Izzy]

Re: Ranking System?

I'm not entirely sure I understand the situation, but it makes more sense to update the top spot with the more recent perfect score. If that person was capable of achieving that perfect score more recently it is more likely that they are better. Which becomes more apparent as the time between the scores becomes bigger.

If someone wanted to retake the top spot they could redo the score.

[Nullifidian]

Re: Ranking System?

maybe some kind of diminishing weight on the first rank so that after a while it can be knocked down in the rankings, but at least give the first person to get a perfect score some credit for a while.

[mi40]

Re: Ranking System?

the best solution is to randomize the #1 score

Player1 - 100
Player2 - 100
Player3 - 100
Player4 - 99

next day

Player3 - 100
Player1 - 100
Player2 - 100
Player4 - 98

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: Ranking System?

just copy league's elo system problem solved

[PrawnSkunk]

Re: Ranking System?

just copy league's elo system problem solved

I'm actually Prestige 8 on Keybeat, no big deal

[Dynam0]

Re: Ranking System?

Here's the problem I see though.

Whoever plays the game first could go through all of the easy charts and get full flawless on all of them, and be permanently locked in the #1 spot for many many of the levels. Anyone who checks the scores will primarily see this one person and only this one person.

I don't want a single person (or even a couple) getting all of the glory that will never ever be changed, just because they were the first to pick up the game. This isn't an issue on higher difficulty songs where the performance matters, but for easy songs you don't leave much room for any other players.

The issue then is why are perfect scores so easy to get? rofl, there are simply so many little nit-picky flaws with this game it's horrendous. FFR statistics would benefit from having sharper judgements but that's a whole other can of worms.

[stargroup100]

Re: Ranking System?

The issue then is why are perfect scores so easy to get? rofl, there are simply so many little nit-picky flaws with this game it's horrendous. FFR statistics would benefit from having sharper judgements but that's a whole other can of worms.

There are some players out there who have very good accuracy, so as long as a chart is easy enough, they will eventually achieve a perfect score. We already have a fairly sharp judgement, it's about equivalent to SM's judge 4.

The reason why we're being nit-picky is because we want to get as close to perfection in our game as possible, trying to make it both enjoyable and accessible. That's why we occasionally come to you guys for feedback. When we're not totally sure about some feature, we run it by you guys firstly to see how you react to them, and secondly to see if you come up with better ideas.

[Izzy]

Re: Ranking System?

On stepmania it is pretty damn hard to get a perfect score on anything remotely difficult. This issue has never been addressed on smo because it just never happens.

[Fission]

Re: Ranking System?

on anything remotely difficult

this is what the problem is. if the file is easy enough, it isn't going to be hard for a top player to get a perfect score on it, regardless of how many judgements there are.

i see what the problem is, but i'm not really sure how to solve it other than using a weighted score system like tristan described.

[stargroup100]

Re: Ranking System?

Can someone give a description of this weighted score system? I don't really see how it would work.

[Fission]

Re: Ranking System?

i guess it really isn't much of a weight per say, more like the first AAA persists for an extended period of time. after that time expires, it reverts back to most recent AAA on top (i think this is what it is?).