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  • ositzxz369
    Venetian Snares stepper
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Jan 2008
    • 535

    #1186
    Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

    Originally posted by lolzkai1
    I FC'd "Pita" at least 10 times now but it's not showing up as a FC can someone help me? Thank you!
    your best score will be the one that's shown (so all the other FC's might not be as good as ur best).

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    • Vulminous
      FFR Player
      • Dec 2019
      • 4

      #1187
      Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

      So I cant play FFR on my school chromebook.
      It isn't blocked
      It just doesn't wanna work correctly.
      If I could post the screenshot, it would show that I got 2-3-1-121-8
      If I play any song, it goes really fast for a bit, even though I have the rate on 1.
      I have tried anything to fix it, and I can't run the swf file, please help.
      Also i would try to post the replay but i havent made 5 forum posts
      Haha comic sans get rekt

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      • Bolth mannn
        FFR Veteran
        • Aug 2008
        • 2228

        #1188
        Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

        'PWND!' and ''Crowdpleaser'' still show song difficulty as 0

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        • bmah
          shots FIRED
          Profile Moderator
          FFR Simfile Author
          Global Moderator
          • Oct 2003
          • 8448

          #1189
          Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

          Originally posted by Bolth mannn
          'PWND!' and ''Crowdpleaser'' still show song difficulty as 0
          Long time no see. This is not a bug, that's what the difficulties for those songs were later designated to. Because of those songs' incredible difficulty spikes (relative to the easiness of the remainder of those charts), it's near impossible to assign a meaningful difficulty to them, which is why those songs have a difficulty of 0.

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          • Bolth mannn
            FFR Veteran
            • Aug 2008
            • 2228

            #1190
            Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

            Originally posted by bmah
            Long time no see. This is not a bug, that's what the difficulties for those songs were later designated to. Because of those songs' incredible difficulty spikes (relative to the easiness of the remainder of those charts), it's near impossible to assign a meaningful difficulty to them, which is why those songs have a difficulty of 0.
            <3 ... I kinda get it, but like, hows that any different to a harder 40 second song having a lower difficulty due to song length? I think every song should have at least an estimated song difficulty, and it really bothers me when I try to clean up songs based on their levels and that I have 0 difficulty songs stuck at the top there. I know its not a big complaint but I feel like an estimated or average song difficulty makes more sense than a 0 difficulty

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            • Not devonin
              FFR Player
              • Jun 2008
              • 107

              #1191
              Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

              Originally posted by Bolth mannn
              <3 ... I kinda get it, but like, hows that any different to a harder 40 second song having a lower difficulty due to song length? I think every song should have at least an estimated song difficulty, and it really bothers me when I try to clean up songs based on their levels and that I have 0 difficulty songs stuck at the top there. I know its not a big complaint but I feel like an estimated or average song difficulty makes more sense than a 0 difficulty
              Since a player's level is based on their AAA equiv on their best 15 songs, you run into some statistical issues with songs like that.

              Base the difficulty on the bulk of the song which is really low, and nobody will be able to get useful equiv on it because of how the spike will tank their score relative to the low difficulty.

              Base the difficulty on the difficulty of the spike, and it ends up giving away a ton of unbalancing equiv to people who can get even a somewhat reasonable score on the rest of the song.

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              • Jayden1234
                Banned
                • Mar 2011
                • 25

                #1192
                Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                Originally posted by Bolth mannn
                <3 ... I kinda get it, but like, hows that any different to a harder 40 second song having a lower difficulty due to song length?
                If the 40-second song maintains a consistent difficulty level throughout the chart, then it makes more sense than Crowdpleaser being relatively straightforward except for two short bursts that are substantially more difficult than what surrounds it. Crowdpleaser is very easy, save for about five total seconds wherein it is extremely difficult. Yoshi's Cookie is pretty consistent with its note density and patterns, so rating that at 26 seconds doesn't seem as far-fetched.
                Originally posted by Bolth mannn
                I know its not a big complaint but I feel like an estimated or average song difficulty makes more sense than a 0 difficulty
                It absolutely does not make more sense. If you averaged PWND!'s chart down to, say, a 65, a player who is level 64 will get the surprise of their life when they breeze through the entire chart only to get kicked in the shins by illegible charting that matches nothing and is much more difficult to score on than the rest of the chart.
                Also, applying this kind of logic to something like The Wises Were Wrong would have pretty funny results.

                The 0s are token songs that have no AAA equivalency. Playing them doesn't statistically affect you at all, save for increasing your grand total. You can completely ignore them and nothing will have changed.
                Last edited by Jayden1234; 03-3-2020, 10:40 PM.

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                • TheSaxRunner05
                  The Doctor
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 6144

                  #1193
                  Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                  Maybe it would make better sense for the Difficulty to be listed as "U" for unranked and not count towards anyone's level? Songs like that are typically very hard to place anyways, you'd kind of bypass the ranking issue if that was possible.


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                  • Bolth mannn
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2228

                    #1194
                    Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                    Originally posted by TheSaxRunner05
                    Maybe it would make better sense for the Difficulty to be listed as "U" for unranked and not count towards anyone's level? Songs like that are typically very hard to place anyways, you'd kind of bypass the ranking issue if that was possible.


                    I’d prefer something like this

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                    • Ninty64
                      FFR Player
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 738

                      #1195
                      Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                      Enties!

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                      • URL
                        Rainbow Enthusiast
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 60

                        #1196
                        Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                        Originally posted by Not devonin
                        Since a player's level is based on their AAA equiv on their best 15 songs, you run into some statistical issues with songs like that.

                        Base the difficulty on the bulk of the song which is really low, and nobody will be able to get useful equiv on it because of how the spike will tank their score relative to the low difficulty.

                        Base the difficulty on the difficulty of the spike, and it ends up giving away a ton of unbalancing equiv to people who can get even a somewhat reasonable score on the rest of the song.
                        A nice middle ground might be to give a rating based on the difficulty of the spike, but put an asterisk next to it, to show that it's unranked.
                        • Highest AAA: Men & Machines [Redemption] [73]
                        • Highest BF/BF: Before Cynthia [71]
                        • Highest SDG: Ripcord [88]
                        • Highest CLEAN FC: grind2 v2 [89]
                        • Highest MASHED FC: Mario Trap [97]


                        All (or most) songs up to Level 27 AAA'd.

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                        • TWG Fauna
                          FFR Player
                          • Mar 2020
                          • 1

                          #1197
                          Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                          For some reason, the full edition of the games we played doesn’t play sound for me

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                          • Bolth mannn
                            FFR Veteran
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 2228

                            #1198
                            Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                            No audio in the full edition of the games we played for me either

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                            • Jayden1234
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 25

                              #1199
                              Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                              Originally posted by TWG Fauna
                              For some reason, the full edition of the games we played doesn’t play sound for me
                              Originally posted by Bolth mannn
                              No audio in the full edition of the games we played for me either
                              If you go to settings, try selecting "force new judge mode" near the framerate setting. If that doesn't work, increase your framerate to 31 at a minimum. This bug isn't specific to The Games We Played (Full Edition) and applies to every song longer than 10 minutes, I think. If you play TGWP Full, Starbound, or Ants of the Sky with a framerate ⩽30, it will be muted for some reason.
                              EDIT: This is assuming you're playing on the standalone. I don't know if the framerate fix applies to the browser version, which you should not be playing anyway.
                              Last edited by Jayden1234; 03-26-2020, 05:23 PM.

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                              • Bolth mannn
                                FFR Veteran
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 2228

                                #1200
                                Re: Bugs that don't deserve their own thread

                                Originally posted by Jayden1234
                                If you go to settings, try selecting "force new judge mode" near the framerate setting. If that doesn't work, increase your framerate to 31 at a minimum. This bug isn't specific to The Games We Played (Full Edition) and applies to every song longer than 10 minutes, I think. If you play TGWP Full, Starbound, or Ants of the Sky with a framerate ⩽30, it will be muted for some reason.
                                EDIT: This is assuming you're playing on the standalone. I don't know if the framerate fix applies to the browser version, which you should not be playing anyway.


                                Thanks ticked the force new judge mode and it worked <3

                                All the other 10 minute plus songs worked, strange

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