FFR Suggestions

[Wayward Vagabond]

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pay to join the official tournaments BAM

oh yeah i agree credit cap is dumb

[qqwref]

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Here's one: raw score dashboard for future official tournaments.

That's right, raw score. With a dashboard system it would be very easy to track raw scores - just modify the code that records a score to the dashboard (I am 100% sure I could implement this if I had the code, btw). The tournament would then run off raw score, which (as we have seen in unofficial tourns) makes people try harder, especially on files that are tough to hit or combo. In fact, someone who can't FC one part of a song but still has the skill to compete with other players has a chance of getting through the round. Note that normal score recording would still be done with combo, so the level ranks wouldn't reflect the tournament ranking - and why do they need to, after all?.


Also, and this is a completely separate suggestion from a friend, we could start off the first division with a pretty hard song (on the level of one of the last few rounds). Just like the Brutality tournaments it will make sure that raw playing ability is factored in rather than just PA. Also, and this is pretty useful, it would help eliminate sandbaggers - if someone gets an amazingly good score on that first hard song, they probably need to be pushed up a division, unless they're in D6, in which case they are awesome.

[TC_Halogen]

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Here's one: raw score dashboard for future official tournaments.

That's right, raw score. With a dashboard system it would be very easy to track raw scores - just modify the code that records a score to the dashboard (I am 100% sure I could implement this if I had the code, btw). The tournament would then run off raw score, which (as we have seen in unofficial tourns) makes people try harder, especially on files that are tough to hit or combo. In fact, someone who can't FC one part of a song but still has the skill to compete with other players has a chance of getting through the round. Note that normal score recording would still be done with combo, so the level ranks wouldn't reflect the tournament ranking - and why do they need to, after all?.

Also, and this is a completely separate suggestion from a friend, we could start off the first division with a pretty hard song (on the level of one of the last few rounds). Just like the Brutality tournaments it will make sure that raw playing ability is factored in rather than just PA. Also, and this is pretty useful, it would help eliminate sandbaggers - if someone gets an amazingly good score on that first hard song, they probably need to be pushed up a division, unless they're in D6, in which case they are awesome.

I am very conflicted about using raw scoring in official tournaments, and I imagine a few other older players would be as well. On one hand, they are a lot more practical for tournaments and accuracy would be as large of a factor as full comboing a song, so that's always great to test the true skill of players. However, it does remove the novelty of the "official" tournament to a very small extent, only because it's been common tradition to do it with combo scoring as well. I would appreciate having raw scoring in an official tournament, simply for the sake of others. *shrug*

Coding it into the dashboard should be as simple as changing the code that references the particular the table that displays your total score (change from total to raw, since they -are- both stored, as seen here, for example). I don't think any other code would need to be changed since the tables sort in descending order based off of score, and display the appropriate accuracy counts without having the combo. So yeah, it should be a relatively quick fix. That's just within the dashboard, though. Differentiating between the best raw score and total score is another issue.

Starting the lowest division off with a harder song definitely would eliminate the sandbagging issue for the next tournament, but what about other divisions? You'd have to push into some pretty decent extremes to prove sandbagging, and people still might be able to coast by if they have enough skill to fake a score that just barely makes it by. It's pretty hard to just kill off sandbaggers, unfortunately.

EDIT: going to add this for clarity -- in the raw scores page, it does show your raw total, but it's based off of your best saved PA through total score.

[igotrhythm]

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Since when has the official tourney running off combo scoring been a "novelty"? If anything, raw scoring for placement is the development that's novel, and it's only thanks to several Dossar alts that this idea has even caught on.

I would like to point out, however, that glancing through the dashboard scores provides anecdotal evidence that having Ben syndrome with otherwise monstrous PA is a non-issue as far as the official tournament goes, especially in the higher divisions.

As for sandbagging, better to root them out early while they can still be bumped up. Perhaps have all entrants play a "placement song" because glancing through level ranks will naturally make someone look more impressive than they are on any given day. This could also have the added benefit of providing more help in deciding borderline cases.

[Frank Munoz]

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Maybe we can just up the requirement for the 'official'? Instead of just having it X gameplays or smth.

Participants for the Official imo should have been those well known in the FFR community and fairly active.
This would have possibly rid the issue of 'unknown legit players' that none of us know well.

ex: Soulwar (Not saying anything bad about you~ just picking on you hehe)

I honestly have never seen this profile before the tourney.
All this person's post are only in the 7th Official Tourney Thread. hmm
And, apparently, he met the requirements for Xgameplays, but they are nearly 2 years old according to Soulwar.
(once again, just picking on ya~)

I was thinking of uping the Xgameplays to 1000.Ya, 1fxcking000
I'm sure that would give us a waaay better look at how good someone is, and view how many restarts they do for each song.
And, it will take some time to get 1k gp. Unless they just whore the fxck outa one song for some reason for 17 hours straight and get 1bil gt for vrofl.................................

Some forum post would be nice too. Not terribly concerned about it. Just, maybe if they atleast posted in the in the New to FFR? Say Hello Here! or something. Just... one post or smthng.
Maybe even if they are a well known ProChatter.

We can't just let people join just by numbers.

So, suggestions here are:
More game-plays
Fairly known by the community

[foxfire667]

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I was thinking of uping the Xgameplays to 1000.Ya, 1fxcking000
I'm sure that would give us a waaay better look at how good someone is, and view how many restarts they do for each song.

Well, that is if they don't whore excite bike until they reach 1k or something because they are like 500 game plays away from the sign up minimum next year. Perhaps 1k game plays over at least 250 unique songs would be a better requirement. At least this way you are guaranteed to have a decent amount of songs to access for skill assessment.

I suppose there could be a single forum post requirement, but it would be rather pointless because:
Oh look, a one post requirement
*posts*
*registers 1 minute later*

Although it is nice when people post in the forums, it probably shouldn't be a requirement. If a unique song requirement was put in place, it would take care of rather new and unable to be properly assessed accounts entering tournaments and sandbagging etc. Chances are that if they play SM or KBO and start off skilled they will post in the forums anyway for one reason or another.

EDIT: Apparently raw scoring level stats are NOT changed when someone's hacked score was removed / blacklisted as seen in the death piano level stats page, or this hilarious Excite Bike raw level stats page. This should probably be fixed by the admins, considering the raw level stats page is worthless if the leader boards consist of every hacker who ever recorded a score on the song.

[Velocity]

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EDIT: Apparently raw scoring level stats are NOT changed when someone's hacked score was removed / blacklisted as seen in the death piano level stats page, or this hilarious Excite Bike raw level stats page. This should probably be fixed by the admins, considering the raw level stats page is worthless if the leader boards consist of every hacker who ever recorded a score on the song.

I've had the fix for it for awhile, but I haven't got around to deploying it.

[foxfire667]

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I've had the fix for it for awhile, but I haven't got around to deploying it.

Oh alright, as long as the issue has been noticed and will be fixed in the future that's fine.

[ReikonKeiri]

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Add to favorites button to result screen

seconded. also an option to remove displayed songs in the songs tab based on the new difficulty system. doesnt really help to remove the 1-20s when that's all braindead easy songs with the new system.

[PrawnSkunk]

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I'd love to see an extended regional ranking. I am #251, so it's not likely to see myself on the Top 10 anytime soon.

Click "See More" and you come to a page like Top 100 AAAs, where it displays their rank, name and average rank to four decimal places. Maybe 100 people displayed per page.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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Suggestion: Disable and remove "will you marry me" from being a token, it is unnecessary. Was fine for the moment, but keeping it doesnt make sense. You are no more special than anyone else that there needs to be a token limited to only two people (three seeing that you two apparently got married to stavie as well). Save the swf to your computer for your own personal use, but there is no point having a token that can't be unlocked being flaunted on the tokens page.

[justin_ator]

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^^

and comment on credit cap please

[bmah]

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Credit cap seems to be removed, according to what I've heard from a few people.

[justin_ator]

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brb testing

[PrawnSkunk]

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brb testing

good idea! try sending me 2,147,483,648 credits. you know, for science.