Score % of Record Holder

[Silvuh]

See Post #11 for more.
(It pretty much is a total update of this post. Just leaving the original idea here.)

Not exactly sure of my reasoning for actually implementing the whole of this suggestion, but the idea occurred to me. So I'd like to see what the community thinks...

I thought about changing "Score % of Record Holder" to what percent of the song you combo.

One of the reasons is that, like... On Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival, you can get 51 goods and still have your score be "100% of Record Holder". If it showed % Combo, you'd have to be 18 notes from a full combo to get "100% Combo". And, well, 51 is greater than 18... So a % Combo value feels more accurate to me.
A bit more on FFLBF (assuming no averages or boos gotten and that the value rounds up):
51 goods is 100% of Record Holder. (1% goods)
154 goods is 99% of Record Holder.
257 goods is 98% of Record Holder.
359 goods is 97% of Record Holder.
1079 goods is 90% of Record Holder.
2107 goods is 80% of Record Holder.
2621 goods is 75% of Record Holder. (72% goods)
A 75% combo (2736) with all perfects except for one miss is worth 4741540 points or 84% of Record Holder.
18 notes away from a FC is a 100% Combo.
54 notes away from a FC is a 99% Combo.
91 notes away from a FC is a 98% Combo.
127 notes away from a FC is a 97% Combo.
383 notes away from a FC is a 90% Combo.
747 notes away from a FC is a 80% Combo.
930 notes away from a FC is a 75% Combo.

Also I think it would make more sense to have "% Combo" in that spot because it's right under your Max Combo value.


(Or something to this effect.)

Maybe that's not a good idea. Maybe it is. But here are a few other changes that could be made that are separate from changing what the value there is:
1. Adding the "/ (total note count)" after the Max Combo value.
2. Having the Score % of Record Holder always round down. (So it wouldn't show 100% if it isn't exactly 100%)
3. Or the % Combo value could be placed next to the % of Record Holder value.
3'. Instead of the values being placed next to each other, "FFR Best" can be moved under "Total" and have a line between them (to make it look like fraction) and under that have "% of Record Holder:" with maybe a decimal value or two. And "Your Best" could be under that. Makes sense putting those values together instead of having "Score % of Record Holder" under Max Combo.

Or something.

So, uh, yeah... any thoughts about these ideas? (That means more than "+1" etc.)

[HammyMcSquirrel]

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I like this idea. It seems like the majority of people strive for FC and would be able to relate more to this system involving the combo. I actually forgot about the record holder percentage being there until I read about this idea, and I don't think it is really as effective compared to the ranking system we have. (Like you mentioned with 52 goods being 100%.)

+1 support

[Zybanthia]

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I like the idea of the percentile rounding down. I remember getting 2 Good on something insignificant once and seeing 100% come up. I felt so... undeserving.

[awein999]

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yeah +1. It would also be cool if they put the maximum score possible below the ffr best score.

[Patashu]

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Hmm. Make % of highest score round down and add the your combo out of total combo thing I'd say

[Tasselfoot]

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awein: max possible score and top score are the same on 99% of songs. there are less than 10 songs with non-AAA top scores... and that's only cause rubix has busted hands.

[awein999]

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true but it's cool to see what the maximum score is on songs that aren't AAA'd. I mean there are going to be really hard songs released in the future and there will be more without AAA's. Maybe there could be a way to only display it for non-AAA'd songs?

what did rubix do to his hands?

[TC_Halogen]

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+1

587/1370 ~ 42.8 (43% actually).

Total score: 1312265/2123500 = 61.7% (62%)

The discrepancies are a bit interesting from combo to score. Nonetheless, I'd much rather see the combo being scored.

I like this idea. It seems like the majority of people strive for FC and would be able to relate more to this system involving the combo. I actually forgot about the record holder percentage being there until I read about this idea, and I don't think it is really as effective compared to the ranking system we have. (Like you mentioned with 52 goods being 100%.)

+1 support

How about this: since both scoring systems are a bit flawed--maybe you could have a percentile scoring system? Have the percentage measure how good your score is in comparison to others--that is: measure how many people have an equal or better score than you. Here's an example:

1.) AAA
2.) 1.0.0.0
3.) 2.0.0.0
4.) 1.1.0.0
5.) 3.0.0.0 (say this is you.)
6.) 4.1.0.0
7.) 6.0.0.0
8.) 7.0.0.0
9.) 8.0.0.0
10.) 8.1.0.0

So, you have 5 people beaten, and your spot. This would make the percentage 60%. Of course, it is a much more severe judge of the skill level of our players. On the flip side, it's a much more realistic way to tell where you stand in high scores, being that an FC won't be 99/100%, but more like 75-80 if you have weaker PA. AND, if you have an AAA tie, your percentage will still be a 100%.

[Silvuh]

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587/1370 ~ 42.8 (43% actually).

Right, but one of the suggestions was to have the value always round down to avoid inappropriate 100%s.

idea

This is a really neat idea. I wouldn't be able to calculate this ranking for any song, though, because you'd have to know the number of unique high scores instead of the number of players... But it sounds like it would work. Seems like it could be used as a revised ranking system... of sorts. But then you'd have to think, like... (in terms of rank) a booflag would always be rank 2 no matter how many AAAs the song has. It would be rank 2 whether there are 10 or 1000 players who scored better... Oh, I don't know. Something. I can't bring myself to think about it too hard right now. I do like the idea.

P.S. Death Piano, Almost There, ==Planet Karma==, Revolutionary Etude, and Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern are the public songs without full perfect combos. (A new song won't have an AAA instantly, but, yeah.)
Also stuck a bit more useless information in the OP.

[Joshgauges]

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i really like this idea
2 thumbs up

[Silvuh]

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Okay, totally new idea this time. But I'm putting it in this thread 'cause it's related. Just messed around with more things, too.

Here's what the result screen would usually look like:

And this is what I came up with:

Because the "Total" is the total of your combo and accuracy scores, I thought it would be relevant to have the scores actually showing above it. (Instead of the "Score" that shows at the bottom of the screen while playing.) And the Accuracy, Combo, and Of Record percents are all there. Because the Score % of Record Holder is moved, I made that whole spot the / max combo thing. Moved Your Best Rank up to fit everything there. Combo and Accuracy are aligned in that red gradient thing with Total being aligned between the red and yellow gradient things. Also, I moved the mod circle to fit the percentages. And, hey, you even get the FFR Best percent this way. Sorry that it's a little cluttered.

P.S. The percent value still should round down.

For those who don't know:
The Combo score is your combo * 1000. The percent is this divided by max combo * 1000.
The Accuracy score is 550P + 275G + 55A - 310M - 20B. That's how your accuracy effects your total score, anyway. And the percent is that divided by the total accuracy points max combo * 550.
The max possible score is max combo * 1550. And your score is divided out of that (or highest score achieved for the few applicable songs) for the Score % of Record Holder.
Because each combo is worth 1000 and each perfect is worth 550, dividing those numbers gets you the weighting. Combo is worth about 1.81 times that of accuracy.

[Zybanthia]

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Aww, your other one was so clean. This one's so cluttered. Informative though.

Thing is, I'm not too concerned with the breakdown of it... I know combo holds the most weight in the score, and every single little number doesn't really matter too much. That's just me personally though; others may find it really useful, but to me it's just kind of messy.

EDIT: Yeah it is, haha. Anyway, I'm waiting for the edit. Chances are Silvuh will have this most amazing idea ever.

EDIT 2: Eh, it's okay.

[Patashu]

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honestly it's not -that- much messier

[TC_Halogen]

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Hm. This ranking system looks more complex than before, but I do like it, it seems a bit more accurate.

You'd get pretty close to the same things with percentiles, I would think.

[kjwkjw]

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I like this idea, especially the combo and accuracy scores and %'s.

The max combo part of your 2nd Eradication pic does seem a bit cluttered though.
Maybe you can move the "mods" next to the title "Score"? This way you can put the maximum possible combo in smaller font next to the player's combo, like you did in the Big Blue pic in the original post.