Mina - you proved my point of how it seems that the really good people are trying to close off the group of people who CAN unlock oni, and since you're in the inside of that, you proved my point not because of bias, but because of the point i'm trying to make about people like you, who can unlock it easily. Though still opinion, its people as good as you who are running ffr.
Sprite - don't tell me you can't AAA those songs for oni...
I never said I can't. I AAA'd a FMO that was extremely difficult back with avmisses to get Oni. I did my share of whoring and shedding blood and tears over the token. Just because we had a few updates to the game doesn't mean that everyone else should have an easier time getting it than the people who originally got it. It should still be as difficult as it was meant to be. You have no idea what you are talking about, and I can tell by the way you respond. Now if I had your mindset, I'd say "You're just saying that because you can't get it so that means you're biased." So please, just stop your complaining.
Mina - you proved my point of how it seems that the really good people are trying to close off the group of people who CAN unlock oni, and since you're in the inside of that, you proved my point not because of bias, but because of the point i'm trying to make about people like you, who can unlock it easily. Though still opinion, its people as good as you who are running ffr.
Sprite - don't tell me you can't AAA those songs for oni...
I've unlocked oni even with the new requirements and I'm not in the "elite group". yeah you don't know what you are talking about, there are plenty of "not insanely good" people that have unlocked oni.
And here I thought the last edit for oni-unlocking songs were to correct for the difficulty decrease ever since av misses were fixed. Thanks for enlightening me... thats what the fix was for.. so the next time you fix it it'll be for that reason too??
no idea what i'm talking about? yeah so "plenty" would be like approximately 200 people, out of millions. enlighten me on what "insanely good" means - have you lost sight of the rest of the 99.99% of ffr players who can't unlock oni?
No idea what i'm talking about? Yeah so "plenty" would be like approximately 200 people, out of millions. Enlighten me on what "insanely good" means - have you lost sight of the rest of the 99.99% of ffr players who can't unlock oni?
this is the entire point of oni. Get it through your head.
why dont you go on mmo forums and whine about how you can't have max level max geared chars the instant you sign up????
You still have never answered my question - What's wrong with having a token that only the best can unlock? Stop being biased. Either get better, or quit. It's people like you who take the fun away from this site by complaining and whining. You have over 100 tokens that are simple to unlock. God forbid we have one that you can't get. Oh no!
Edit: Mina is 100% correct. Get it through your head that average players are NOT supposed to be able to unlock it.
i cant get the song and i think the oni get is really reasonable, consider it like this
a game requires you in order to use the best equipment is to be the highest level, its like hard work payed off, keep trying and you can get it no matter how much you suck now,
lol
whats wrong with having a token that only the best can unlock - nothing. i don't say no to the concept of oni
the average player (the one who's better than exactly 50% of people on ffr) - can't even pass fmo's. i daresay only say the top 1-2% of people even hold an fmo fc. stop thinking that thats what i'm saying (that the average player should get oni, or even close)
get it through your heads that I am not trying to say that oni should be made easier to unlock - I am saying that it should not get incrementally harder as time goes by simply because more people have unlocked oni via that song - which is what is happening
and mina, bigger font next time. it was hard to read the first time.
This was the first correct update done since the avmiss fix. To be perfectly honest, no one took off the songs that were supposed to be taken off until now. It took a long time to get an admin to do that - they were too busy and couldn't be bothered. That's why it hasn't happened until now. The edit before this was simply just adding more songs to it, not taking off the ones that should have been taken off after avmisses were fixed. It will probably not be updated again for a LONG time now.
This was the first correct update done since the avmiss fix. To be perfectly honest, no one took off the songs that were supposed to be taken off until now. It took a long time to get an admin to do that - they were too busy and couldn't be bothered. That's why it hasn't happened until now. The edit before this was simply just adding more songs to it, not taking off the ones that should have been taken off after avmisses were fixed. It will probably not be updated again for a LONG time now.
had you said this before making me look like a dumbass noob whining my ass off, it would've been better. I definitely remember vertex beta unlocking oni before, but it doesn't anymore so songs had to have been taken off (at least vertex beta). now can people use kinder words... i'm not just a stupid git okay? (not words like "oh no you can't unlock a token so you're gonna whine about it") kind of ****.... I've already accepted the fact that I am probably never going to unlock oni - but the thought of it getting harder and harder seemed ridiculous. If this really is the first correct update (and only one taking songs out), then cool. great. just don't want like a year from now be like "AAA death piano or harder for oni" ... exaggeration, but you get my point.
That will never happen. It's difficult to get admins to do updates like this because it's frankly just not on top of their priorities list. The last update only balloon fever, vertex beta and sympathizer were removed iirc. There were still a lot more that should have been but weren't because we couldn't get anyone with power to do it. Now we did. It won't get any more difficult for a long long time, if ever.
You're not understanding any of this at all. The song choices are actually staying the same. Peoples skill levels are just getting better. People are probably making new FMO's for the game right now, and those will probably someday be used as Oni criteria. But with people getting better at the game Oni was changed to make it harder to get than a walk in the park. As you see. You think it's getting harder to unlock, but It's not going anywhere. The only way for you to get it is to practice and not sit here ranting about the "problems" you think the site has. Dude, you'll get it if you stick with it.
FC's: 320
AAA's: 161
Best FC: Lawn Wake IV
Best AAA: Love Cheat!, Megane De Ne!
Recent AAA's: Kick Your A, Dimensions
it makes for goals in ffr that are actually semi-attainable. there's really no goal thats between... otaku heavy and.. oni level of difficulty really..
Hi. My last token unlock was in February... and I have really nowhere else to go. There are three tokens left for me (not counting Token Whore), two of which require jacking skills far beyond what I have. The third one's Oni which I'm pretty sure I'll never unlock because it keeps getting harder. Point is, I agree with you. I'd like to have some token goals that are between something that's a bit tricky for someone around where I am (like the Gacha Gacha token) and something that's way too hard (AAA a high FMO plz).
Oh, and I am still mad about the fact that over 400 people have Oni. Elite token my ass. Adamaja is more proud of getting 9s he sucks at out of the way than I will be when I finally get that token. Being in a list of the 'top' 400 users won't impress me, because I'm already in the top 200 for TP, average rank, number of public AAAs, and grandtotal rank, and have AAA'd every song with 200+ AAAs. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd be *fine* with Oni being ridiculously hard if everyone who had it could pass that hard requirement, but that is not the case and it is *embarrassing* to not have the token at this point. Seriously, it's a skill token... the number of people who can get it does not change the fact that messing with the requirements has no positive effect except to make the top 50 players happier that they can be in their own little elite club.
I think the main reason for oni getting harder to unlock is simply because it was meant to be a top elite player challenge. As the top players on FFR's skills have gotten better some of the songs just were not as hard and like I said before this is supposed to be something that is very hard to get so I think it's perfectly fine if it gets harder.
I mean as time goes on and people keep getting better and better you have to raise the bar at some point or there is nothing to look forward to.
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