Ranking Suggestion

[StringsnKeys]

My suggestion for a new ranking system - players are ranked in descending order according to their average rank. The problem with the current, "overall rank", is that essentially, someone could have played 150,000 games and have overall rank 1, but an average rank of 1,000. This situation implies that there are lots of better players out there, who just haven't played as many games. The problem with average rank at the moment is that several people can have the same average rank. This isn't really a problem except that if two people have the same average rank, who's to say who is better? The person with the higher overall rank? Wouldn't it make more sense that the person who has a better average rank in less games is better? I dunno, the point it is, I think it would be great to have a system where players are ranked in descending order according to their average rank. This way, the player with the best average rank has rank 1, the player with second best average rank has rank 2.........and so on. This also deals with the problem that a player with average, or overall rank "n" is not necessarily the "nth" best player in the game. Is there any reason a system like this couldn't be implemented?

[rzr]

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If you subscribe you can see their rank down to... 3 or 4 decimal places. So, you can still see who's better.

[Tasselfoot]

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it is... it's a subscriber only feature to view the top average rank list.

it's server intensive to pull the data for hundreds of thousands of average ranks. so to make it public would be not so good. as such, it's subbie only.


edit: subbies can view the top1000 ranked by average rank.

[StringsnKeys]

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So would it be fair to assume if in the future, the community could whip together some more server power, this would be considered for public players as well?

[rzr]

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The way things are going we'll be lucky to keep the server power we have now.

[devonin]

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I'd also suggest that below a certain range, average rank changes so much per song play that displaying the ranking would be pretty much meaningless anyway.

I mean, in the top1000 ranking sorted by average rank, I'm 771st

By your standards, I'm the 771st best player on the site, and yet I have only 31 AAAs, 221 FCs, an average rank of 2,283, and regularly fail out of division 2 of the official FFR tourney.

Fundamentally, only the top 1000 or so even matter in terms of really ranking your skill compared to other people of a similar skill. There's so much movement at the bottom end, like GTS, that it's not even worth measuring, not the least because it is even -more- server intensive to track motions down that far.

[Dave&Wave]

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What if someone AAAed blue rose over and over again . Essentially , I'd call him the best , but because he only does 1 song he still has an average rank of 46,000 , so essentially , average rank isn't allways the way to judge a persons skill .

[Breakdown16]

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Average rank is still a much more accurate way of ranking people than overall rank. Average rank measures:

1) your ability, and
2) your dedication to the game.

[dore]

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According to average rank I'm still a top 1000 player which is strange since I haven't played a good 200 songs.

[DarkZtar]

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Some people are too lazy to play all the songs. (me included)

[Kairon]

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Now see, I think there should be some sort of "master rank" system that combines and compiles overall rank, average rank, tier point rank, token rank, token/skill token count, and any other ranks one might think of into one number which encompasses every facet of your FFR skill and dedication. Then we take, say the top 100 or 1000 numbers, line 'em up, see who's is biggest, and make a t-shirt out of it.

[Gibson63]

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Now see, I think there should be some sort of "master rank" system that combines and compiles overall rank, average rank, tier point rank, token rank, token/skill token count, and any other ranks one might think of into one number which encompasses every facet of your FFR skill and dedication. Then we take, say the top 100 or 1000 numbers, line 'em up, see who's is biggest, and make a t-shirt out of it.

+8

[igotrhythm]

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I sincerely hope you're kidding, Eli. That would take so much freaking server load...not to mention that there probably won't be any more Top XXXX items because of the huge cost of making them vs. the amount the people on it (and only the people on it, most likely) would pay to get it.

What you're proposing sounds about as complex as the BCS ranking system, for God's sake. >_<

[Tasselfoot]

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kairon: you're far from the first to suggest it. the problem is... how do you accurately come up with a formula for measuring/ranking? i guess there could be some sort of sabermetric approach that could be applied, but my statistics knowledge is not that good. if anyone is a statistics whiz and wants to try to come up with an algorithm that makes logical sense, be my guest.

[Kairon]

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kairon: you're far from the first to suggest it. the problem is... how do you accurately come up with a formula for measuring/ranking? i guess there could be some sort of sabermetric approach that could be applied, but my statistics knowledge is not that good. if anyone is a statistics whiz and wants to try to come up with an algorithm that makes logical sense, be my guest.

Okay, I'm fleshing out a basic idea, and will probably create a thread about it later.