Ranking Suggestion

[StringsnKeys]

Re: Ranking Suggestion

Yes, I think we all can come to consensus with regards to how overall and average rank work. I think the point was for us (the community) to propose a legitimate, not so server intensive ranking system that ranked players in order of 1st-last. I think the subbie system works out great, but the server can't take the loads so unless another system is implemented we're out of luck. I think the solution is simply that everyone subscribes, we get more server power, yay, subbie rankings for everyone. Dream world..........

[jimerax]

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Talking about the server load, if it's possible to sum best scores of all regular songs automatically when you get a new score on any song (without updating individual level rank stats), it would be the best solution for overall rank IMO.

The ranking system would get as dynamic as current GTS rank, and would be way more relevant to the skill than GTS rank. plus we know we won't be able to do that for Average Rank and Tier Rank.

[BzT]

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why even wory about it? IMO you shouldent of even f***ed up the framerate glitch, or added speedmods.

[TC_Halogen]

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why even wory about it? IMO you shouldent of even f***ed up the framerate glitch, or added speedmods.

You might be the only one who believes in this, well--you and Tass.

If you are having problems with framerate though, I don't think that's an issue with the site.

[StringsnKeys]

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Could anyone possibly let me know how many calculations are being made currently to calculate ranks. I just reckon if when designing a new system a can keep the calculations lower then what they are, I will have a better chance at being heard...........

[qqwref]

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I agree that GTS isn't the best way to think about someone's skill level, but I also think that there is no perfect ranking system - and in fact I don't think there ever could be. If an insanely good player comes on and AAAs a few FMOs and then leaves, there's no accurate way to tell exactly how good they are. On the other hand we can still decide if one ranking system is better than another by looking at whether it requires the player to do things that can be done by much less skilled players, for example AAA lots of 5s or whatever

Here's a proposal for a ranking system that is probably not the best one, but is probably better than average rank for a typical skilled player, which I'll refer to as "Adjusted Tier Average Rank" (ATAR). The way ATAR works would be like this:
- It is basically the average rank of a player, not on all the songs, but on a certain subset of them.
- This subset doesn't include any songs below Tier Point difficulty, based on the premise that you can prove you're a really good player without having to go AAA hundreds of easy songs.
- We wouldn't count token/subbie songs, secret songs worth a high number of credits, and very recent songs (released less than, say, a month ago), because it makes no sense to penalize people for not having played a huge amount or for not keeping up with new songs. It makes sense to still count difficult skill token songs, because a skilled player who only plays the game itself should be able to unlock them.
- Instead of just a normal average rank, which uses the arithmetic mean, there would be some kind of weighting system to ensure that lower ranks count more in the average. Perhaps we could use the geometric mean, for instance.

I think ATAR might be better than average rank (because it doesn't require you to AAA lots of easy songs) but also better than tier points (because the TP system doesn't have enough gradations to give an accurate reading for people on the lower end). I don't think it's unreasonable to expect good players to at least give all the hard songs a try.

[Dave&Wave]

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I just thought of something . Average rank just leads back to scores on songs . So if you were a mashing king you could FC every Guru song with zero skill and still get an average rank of 1000 .

[jimerax]

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I just thought of something . Average rank just leads back to scores on songs . So if you were a mashing king you could FC every Guru song with zero skill and still get an average rank of 1000 .

It's just a problem of FFR scoring system, not ranking system.

higher score is always better.

[MikeShinoda12345]

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Then how is it a problem with the scoring system?

[StringsnKeys]

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I don't think it would be possible to get an average rank anywhere near 1000 if you simply mashed every song. You'd have to be pretty good to get a rank like that and to be fair, everyone mashes on the guru songs. At least when they first try them anyways.