Clear some stuff up

[travman301]

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Rubix was the most abrubt uprise in AAA's and FC's that FFR has ever seen. He seemed legit to me but people still flamed him for hacking. Might be why he closed his profile.

Anywho, I love that your better than me at FFR Yukari, and Manti is a jerk to everyone, that's why I made a new name.

Oh crap, now he's gonna be a dick to me!

What the **** are you talking about?

I've nver seen Manti being a dick to anyone on these forums [excluding TWG ] unless they were being an utter dip****, and deserved it wholeheartedly.

Do you fall under this category?

[Mr.Nothing]

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What the **** are you talking about?

I've nver seen Manti being a dick to anyone on these forums [excluding TWG ] unless they were being an utter dip****, and deserved it wholeheartedly.

Do you fall under this category?

I spelled they're wrong in profile chat. He yelled at me for like ten minutes.

[-Yukari-]

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I've nver seen Manti being a dick to anyone on these forums [excluding TWG ] unless they were being an utter dip****, and deserved it wholeheartedly.

Have a glance at my first page then, where he blindly accused me of hacking based on the loose reasons I easily dispelled.

[travman301]

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Have a glance at my first page then, where he blindly accused me of hacking based on the loose reasons I easily dispelled.

I see where both of you are coming from.

And my comment did not originate from the standpoint of the arguement at hand. I was simply giving commentary to the merit of Manti's personality and posts on these forums.

[immawhiteguy]

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Welcome to the internet guys. Haha.

[y0ttabyte]

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I am surprised moderators are allowed to be so openly accusatory and rude with absolutely no solid evidence (as shown here). I suggest the staff choose more carefully who this community's role-models / good examples will be.

I think this is a very good point. I think any accusation without reasonable justification should be punishable whether it happens to end up being accurate or not. Point out any suspicious activity to mods and let them deal with it... otherwise it just makes the community look awful (and probably drives a lot of skilled players away).

All this talk about getting a webcam is also a waste of time too Yukari, Rubix posted many videos showing him play legitimately, but the hordes still continued to give him a hard time.

[SnS]

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I'm surprised people dont call bs on my "one time fluke" AAA on Seven. Made me so happy

Video or it didn't happen.

[Adamaja456]

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jesus, that was fun reading those pages of hate.

First off, i seriously dont know why people like pressing f5 or ESC or whtever key so the game doesnt record.
Personally, it makes me more skeptical because nobody truely knows how many FFR games a person plays. And i don't like it when people delete there replays. Just keep them all there for christs sake.

That's fine, no talented player will have 100% support.

Shash. Oh ok


I dunno, it just seems like your going through alot of trouble telling people your legit but when a respected person wants a vid, you basically say no.

I seriously don't know if your legit or not. Id rather not say which way im leaning.

whatever.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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lol CT.

Just get a vid up sometime before the convention. Which is on march 29th. That gives you about 2 months.

Here's the specs. Hands, Screen, Talk once during the song (Say Manti is an internet brat idc), Show programs after you finish playing, Get less than 5 (6) goods on HB.

Do all this, and post it. If you succeed, let me be the first to Apologize and say "Welcome to FFR"

[devonin]

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Shash. Oh ok

Let's rephrase: No talented player who didn't start off demonstrably average inside the community will ever have 100% support.

Holding everyone to the standards of Shashakiro, and insisting that they -must- start out no better than average, and then slowly improve over time on the forum in order to be accepted at face value seems pretty ridiculous to me.

We just need to accept that there are other games that build very similar skillsets, and that sometimes, it so happens that there will be people who find adapting to the individual changes to be a fairly quick and easy process.

That doesn't mean they cheat, or they hack, or they aren't legitimate. I rather like the idea of innocent until proven guilty, and "You did really well, really quickly" shouldn't be cause to accuse someone of illegitimacy entirely on its own. I mean, I'd think that "Show us some SM screenshots" to back up the claim that they already had a high degree of skill coming in would be a better way to try and test for legitimacy than to demand highly specific video evidence.

I mean...it -is- just a game after all. This isn't someone coming in day 1 of the official tourney and AAA'ing every song in expert to win actual cash.

[Coolboyrulez0]

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I believe she/he is a hacker because he/she is overly defensive and aggressive when we accuse her/him or prove a fact.

Also calling manti a brat is not too smart. He's a very well known and respected player.

Call me a ****** a dumbass or something but this person is clearly BS in my book.
Even if I am wrong I will not appologize to this person that has no respect regs.

[Adamaja456]

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Let's rephrase: No talented player who didn't start off demonstrably average inside the community will ever have 100% support.

I agree with that statement.

[devonin]

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I believe she/he is a hacker because he/she is overly defensive and aggressive when we accuse her/him or prove a fact.

You're a cheat and a liar, and I don't take any explanation you would give me to suggest otherwise even remotely seriously.

Tell me how you -wouldn't- be defensive and aggressive in this situation?

I completely sympathize with -Yukari- here. Yes, they have a lot of very good scores very quickly. Yes, by the paranoid standards of this community it looks suspicious. However, that completely explains why when confronted about this so soon after showing up, -Yukari- was defensive.

While it was only a matter of course before someone made the public suggestion of illegitimacy, and in this case it come from someone who is well known and respected around the site, I don't see how an accusation of cheating without anything but implicative evidence should be any more okay just because it came from someone everybody knows.

A question came up in my tournament about -Yukari- for posting a number of sightread AAAs on songs that while not extraordinarily hard, were nevertheless not easy by any stretch, and Tasselfoot stated that at no point in playing did -Yukari- trip a single protocol designed to detect the use of hacks, trainers, etc. That was good enough for us, and I'll never really understand why that consistantly fails to be good enough for the community.

When the administration of the game say "Looks legit to us" the community should take its cue from that, and not continue to insist that it can't be.

[omgitznpv]

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I believe she/he is a hacker because he/she is overly defensive and aggressive when we accuse her/him or prove a fact.

Also calling manti a brat is not too smart. He's a very well known and respected player.

Call me a ****** a dumbass or something but this person is clearly BS in my book.
Even if I am wrong I will not appologize to this person that has no respect regs.

Before I say everything, I just want people to know that I'm leaning towards the "yukari is not bs" side.

CBR, shut up.

I understand perfectly why somebody would do something like this. If one was to have a shroud of doubt surrounding them, one would probably want to clear that. This is basically the situation, and I see nothing wrong with it. Yukari basically wants to clear up everything so that people think of him/her as a legitimate player.

Think about this. If someone keeps up in your face accusing you of something you didn't do, you'd want to shove them away, right?

Just because someone shows up and is able to do some incredible thing doesn't mean they're a hacker. I mean, come on, guys. Innocent until proven guilty. Accusing somebody without full proof could cause some negative things to happen to that person. Unless you're at least 90% sure (with proof and such), don't go out and call people hackers.

HELLBEAT. First FMO AAA. I don't really see anything wrong with that. Heck, if all of you that are good at this game try enough, I bet you could do it too. Short enough, and only a fraction of the song is relatively difficult.

[Coolboyrulez0]

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You're a cheat and a liar, and I don't take any explanation you would give me to suggest otherwise even remotely seriously.

Tell me how you -wouldn't- be defensive and aggressive in this situation?

I completely sympathize with -Yukari- here. Yes, they have a lot of very good scores very quickly. Yes, by the paranoid standards of this community it looks suspicious. However, that completely explains why when confronted about this so soon after showing up, -Yukari- was defensive.

While it was only a matter of course before someone made the public suggestion of illegitimacy, and in this case it come from someone who is well known and respected around the site, I don't see how an accusation of cheating without anything but implicative evidence should be any more okay just because it came from someone everybody knows.

A question came up in my tournament about -Yukari- for posting a number of sightread AAAs on songs that while not extraordinarily hard, were nevertheless not easy by any stretch, and Tasselfoot stated that at no point in playing did -Yukari- trip a single protocol designed to detect the use of hacks, trainers, etc. That was good enough for us, and I'll never really understand why that consistantly fails to be good enough for the community.

When the administration of the game say "Looks legit to us" the community should take its cue from that, and not continue to insist that it can't be.

I see what you mean but personally I wouldn't be defensive or aggressive at all.
I'd just ignore them and mind my own buisness.
By making a thread about saying how you aren't BS is just putting yourself out there.
I don't want to argue with the smartest poster on this site but I hope you understand my point.
And personally I really don't care if she/he is a hacker but its just odd be sooo good at a game in such a short time. I've been playing for almost 2 years now yet I am not remotely as good as this player... It's just odd to me.

CBR

PS: Wow, CBR made a educational, contributing post.
EDIT: omgitznpv read this post. Comprehend. Thanks.