Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

[Moria]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

Though there are exceptions, FFR's chart creation process isn't intrinsically focused around making a chart for X difficulty; rather, it's about making a chart that actually fits the music with a proper layering or stepping structure, and if a different difficulty is desired then typically a different song is chosen. Where games like IIDX have depth for given songs with multiple difficulties, FFR is relatively shallow for songs but have a larger breadth, covering a wider range of songs; this is a fairly defined characteristic at this point, and one that works well based on how the community works. As well, FFR's chart submission process is much more arduous and selective than the notion of anyone making a chart for similar games like Stepmania and Osu.

To be blunt, if you want a different difficulty of a song, I recommend you reach out to, or play, games such as Osu!Mania or Stepmania.

I'm going to echo my good friend ilikexd here, who if you didn't notice actually stepped the version of MANIERA currently in the game, because chances are he knows more about what makes for a good and proper chart, and one that should be in FFR, than a large majority of the community, definitely including both myself and you.

I don't think a lower level chart for it is a good idea. The light/heavy splits that are actually in the game currently are for good reason, and are fringe cases, and this definitely would not be one of those cases.

vowed

[Moria]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

and with the right hand: vowed

[ositzxz369]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

I, for one, would like to avoid Canon in WHEE syndrome as much as possible.

What does "Canon in WHEE syndrome" mean?

[QueenAshy]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

an easier version of maniera could be created perfectly fine lmfao

Yeah, it just has to be non-overcharted

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

Yeah, it just has to be non-overcharted

the implication being the current version in game is overcharted?

everything in nathan's maniera is musically justified, if anything he undercharted specific parts and deliberately chose very lenient patterning for sections that could've ramped up the difficulty significantly higher than what it is

an easier version at the difficulty level you specified wouldn't simply be 'non-overcharted', it would be overwhelmingly undercharted...that isn't to say it couldn't be done, but to insinuate the current version is overcharted because it's difficult is pretty silly

[QueenAshy]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

the implication being the current version in game is overcharted?

everything in nathan's maniera is musically justified, if anything he undercharted specific parts and deliberately chose very lenient patterning for sections that could've ramped up the difficulty significantly higher than what it is

an easier version at the difficulty level you specified wouldn't simply be 'non-overcharted', it would be overwhelmingly undercharted...that isn't to say it couldn't be done, but to insinuate the current version is overcharted because it's difficult is pretty silly

No, it's actually overcharted. I would know, I've played maniera 4k charts before in other rhythm games and they are nowhere near as dense as his chart. Even the 7k "masterpiece" chart in osu!mania has less notes.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

Yes because overchartedness is scalable strictly based on where a chart's difficulty lies in comparison to other versions you've played and has nothing to do with comparing the notes to the song itself. It's not at all possible that every chart you've encountered thus far have been varying degrees of undercharted for the sake of playability (and it's clear you've never played 0's version)

I mean I'm sure you have a rather extensive simfiling repertoire so we can trust your authority on a matter like this.

[QueenAshy]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

Yes because overchartedness is scalable strictly based on where a chart's difficulty lies in comparison to other versions you've played and nothing to do with comparing the notes to the song itself. It's not at all possible that every chart you've encountered thus far have been varying degrees of undercharted for the sake of playability (and it's clear you've never played 0's version)

I mean I'm sure you have a rather extensive simfiling repertoire so we can trust your authority on a matter like this.

As if I've never created a chart before...

[Coolboyrulez0]

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dont take bait friends

abandon ship

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

idk what graveyarded means in this context but it sounds not good lol

but alright dude you do you or w.e, if you have that much experience creating charts idk why the hell you made this thread instead of just doing it yourself?????

edit: cbr i wish this was bait

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

No, it's actually overcharted. I would know, I've played maniera 4k charts before in other rhythm games and they are nowhere near as dense as his chart. Even the 7k "masterpiece" chart in osu!mania has less notes.

When one of the best players in the world and old simfile difficulty judge (OWA) tells you you're wrong, you have to learn to stfu or provide actual proof to back up your statements.

[komochii]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

is the version on FFR the same as the challenge difficulty of the song in nuclear blast 5? both are ilikexd, id imagine the FFR one has some of the bs removed like that gross 24th stream into 416 bpm "roll wall" stream like wat

also idk about anyone else here but when i read the replies that are like "you should be the one to create MANIERA v2 or nerfed versions of any other FFR songs that you like." its like... lol, sure, but imo that's a pretty bad mindset to have, why not be like "damn this song is hard, I should practice so i can play it eventually" like lol i dunno

the only reason to restep a file I feel is if either the file is really bad, or if you want to make something completely different, like a jack version of game time or something lol, and for maniera, I feel the versions that exist are fine

I mean, if you have some osu map of maniera thats easier or whatever and you want to play it on FFR just link me it and I can convert it to FFR and put it on my engine, personally id say just git gud tho to eventually play the real thing

EDIT:

idk what graveyarded means in this context but it sounds not good lol

graveyarded isn't a bad thing, osu has a system where you can download maps and songs ingame and such, and each player can only have 4 maps uploaded at one time (unless you are a supporter then its 8 maps)... after a month of not editing them, they automatically go to the graveyard

in this situation i guess them having 59 graveyarded maps implies two things, one that they have 59 maps, and also that theyve been making files for more than a month (probably alot longer than that since 8 slots etc)

[komochii]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

also ya'll are too quick to judge, I've tried their files and they actually aren't horrible, well i mean, I can at least say that theyre unique pattern wise lol, they feel like some weird einar files with split jumptrills ending with minijacks etc

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

also ya'll are too quick to judge, I've tried their files and they actually aren't horrible, well i mean, I can at least say that theyre unique pattern wise lol, they feel like some weird einar files with split jumptrills ending with minijacks etc

the vast majority of the time when a user makes a thread like this, it's because they have little to no experience simfiling so they reach out on the forums to appeal to users that already have charts in game

when someone has stepped over 60 charts and makes a thread like this, then (barring the charts aren't all terrible) it's sheer laziness on their end, or bait (unlikely but shoutouts to my boy cbr if that's the case)

and it's difficult not to be blunt with responses given the lack of any logical counterargument in the posts where op is refuting arguments in this thread

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

stepped 2 easier versions
but you can't have 'em