Tier Points

[Mahou]

Re: Tier Points

Kind of skimmed this thread and I just felt like putting my 2 cents in on a few things.

I'm way more impressed with someone having 1k aaa's than someone who has 400 with a 100 aaa

Let me break it down for you. Its way more impressive for "player 1" to have 1k aaa's and only have a best aaa of around 70 than "player 2" to have 400 aaas and having a 100 aaa. It means nothing. Yes, im 100% serious.

This right here really bothers me because everyone's pov regarding what's impressive varies from person to person. What can impress you may not impress others at all. When I first started playing FFR, I used to be very impressed by the amount of tp's, AAA's, and FC's a person had (just like you). But over time, I really started to care less because I realized this does not show how well a player can perform - basically, I do not find farming songs very skillful. That's essentially what FFR is.

If we are basing a person's skill level essentially on the number of these things, you're completely blind sighted. Walrusizer's comment regarding Ettiene pretty much supports that right there. Some players are just not interested in farming a bunch of (sorry to say it, not really), boring low level files. It's very common for higher level players to want to play only higher level songs.

Lets break it down for you again. Just because someone can aaa 100s doesnt always mean they can beat players who can only aaa up to 80. Theres different types of files in the game and everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Ive gotten eliminated from every official by players who might not theoretically be better than me, just because i had a weakness in the song. It could totally play to their strengths and they could win.

This may be true in some sense - however, the person who can AAA 100's still may have the slight advantage over the person who can only AAA up to 80. You have to consider there are also many other factors on why a person who have lower AAA's might eliminate a person who AAA's 100's

1) people skill boost all the time (sometimes during tournaments)
2) some people just do not perform well in tournaments (i'm one of these people)
3) sandbagging

[Mahou]

Re: Tier Points

Playing the game > Being good at it for me, and in the best interest of the site IMHO.

But being good at the game is part of playing the game. You can't be good without playing so I really don't get this at all.

It's like saying "Lifting weights > Getting more muscle".

[rushyrulz]

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Just gonna drop in here to say that tier points don't even get considered in OT placements. Levelranks and Top 100 are enough to determine how skilled a player is. Tier points are useful for very few things: Unlocking achievement tokens, profile badges, and pride.

lol aaaing a 100 is not more impressive than playing every song below 70 and aaaing.

Also, thanks for the laff

LOL the purpose of the game is to play the files.....doesnt matter how good you are.

Who are you to determine the "purpose of the game" for anyone? The purpose of this game is different for everyone who plays it, whether that be completionist-style domination of every song in the game or seeking out the hardest files there are and striving to break the leaderboards on those...

Lets break it down for you again. Just because someone can aaa 100s doesnt always mean they can beat players who can only aaa up to 80.

Yes they will. Someone who can AAA difficulty 100 files will always outperform someone who can only AAA difficulty 80 files in the same format. This is because the level 100 player is mechanically better than the level 80 player, and given the length of a standard round in a tournament and provided that everyone tries their hardest, the superior mechanical skill will prevail.

[Hakulyte]

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I think the only value you could get out of Tier Points would be something like tokens.

It's meaningless for FFR Ranks.

I just happened to have Unconnected(D7)/Derby(lvl95 AAA) in mind.

[Mahou]

Re: Tier Points

Yes they will. Someone who can AAA difficulty 100 files will always outperform someone who can only AAA difficulty 80 files in the same format. This is because the level 100 player is mechanically better than the level 80 player, and given the length of a standard round in a tournament and provided that everyone tries their hardest, the superior mechanical skill will prevail.

In most cases, yes. Not all though.

[Shodzzy]

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I'm getting told different things.. I think you guys got a bit off track. I was told I should be AAAing songs to the 25-35 difficulty, but the highest aaa I got was like 15 or 20... I know, im terrible.

[rushyrulz]

Re: Tier Points

I'm getting told different things.. I think you guys got a bit off track. I was told I should be AAAing songs to the 25-35 difficulty, but the highest aaa I got was like 15 or 20... I know, im terrible.

Your highest AAA is an 11 and your skill rating is 10, so you -should- be able to AAA things around the 8-10 range since skill rating is usually a bit higher than your actual AAA potential.

[One Winged Angel]

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lol aaaing a 100 is not more impressive than playing every song below 70 and aaaing.

I'm way more impressed with someone having 1k aaa's than someone who has 400 with a 100 aaa

I..

Wat

edit: I have more to say about this topic so I'll edit with my thoughts after dinner (I'll very likely forget though)

[Wind0ze]

Re: Tier Points

I'm getting told different things.. I think you guys got a bit off track. I was told I should be AAAing songs to the 25-35 difficulty, but the highest aaa I got was like 15 or 20... I know, im terrible.

Basically, tier points are just a pointless statistic that measures how many specific hard songs you have done well on (AAA'd/FC'd/whatever) with a number.

That is all. You can literally play the game without caring about them.

[rushyrulz]

Re: Tier Points

(I'll very likely forget though)

How? This thread will be on the front page for a week.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Tier Points

You're right, I should have added it's possible I won't care enough to elaborate when I do find time (the most likely scenario)

Though in response to SK8R I have to say that there are no extremely skillset-specific edge case 100+ difficulty files that do not objectively demonstrate a player is capable of AAA'ing any file under FGO, let alone any file under FMO (which is what you articulated), after having AAA'd a 100+.

It's up to you to be more impressed with the greater time investment, but that's all it is at that point comparatively.

[Hakulyte]

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you guys are completely missing my point. this started because he was asking if tier points should be used to place people in divisions in tournaments. tier points do not represent skill. tournament divisions are supposed to represent skill. therefore, tier points should not be used to determine tournament division placements (if a more accurate system exists at least, which it does).

FFR Ranks > Tier Points as a skill measure. Pretty sure there's nothing to argue here.
Tier Points measure game completion rather than skills.

I was trying to justify optimizing levelranks through Tier Points + (bonus AAAs) to give some meaning to AAAs/Personal Bests/Tier Points.

Tokens are like the only thing that could be relevant to this fmpov because any other reward wouldn't make much sense.

I mentioned the OT because I had Unconnected in mind and the lvl93 vs lvl95 change that happened with FFR Ranks for D7, but similar ideas could exist for new tokens etc.

There's currently only 2 "D6 players" with the Tier 5 badge. ItsOnlyDanO and FFR Pro 21.

ItsOnlyDanO ended 2nd place D6 in the previous OT.
FFR Pro 21 is in a similar situation as me. A lot of optimized ranks and TPs fairly farmed.
Everyone else with 1250 Tier Points is D7 with lvl95+

I don't know if you looked at the FFR Average Rank leaderboard too, but it's pretty much a joke if I'm rank 6 on it.
I'm saying this because I'm FFR Rank 83 and that means 75 players or so didn't care about optimizing the easier songs in their levelranks.
I think the main reason is because there's no insensitive to invest time there because FFR Rank is the stat seen as the most relevant.

..wouldn't it make sense to try to give some value to everything else?

Pretty sure there's some ideas about this topic already like the "If you AAA a Difficulty 100 song, all your 1-90 become AAAs" etc.
There's many ways to look at skill vs progress.

We could also argue that the charm of FFR is that all the progress related stuff is meaningless. Kind of curious what's the stance overall.

It's pretty much skill(competitive) vs progress(casual).

[TheSaxRunner05]

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I always liked the average rank measure, because I could do well on it by whoring the game, even though I'm not that good compared to most of the remaining active players

[rushyrulz]

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my avrank would be better if
a) I played the new songs
b) I weren't trash

[MikeShinoda12345]

Re: Tier Points

my avrank would be better if
a) I played the new songs
b) I weren't trash

literally everyone tho