YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

[LogicalBeast]

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UMMMMM...HOLY SHIT!!! O.o MASSIVE thanks YoshL, I thought it was impossible to go for accuracy on a frames based engine. Best on this is 6 Perfects?


So you know I'm not pulling your leg...fuckin' insane eh? I don't claim to be "INSANE WR!!111!" material but this just blew my mind...thanks man.


This tutorial really helped me, now if I could clarify something: is the Global Offset in ms or still in FPS? (based on 30FPS) I ask this so I know what unit = 1ms, so I can use your method, then fine tune the number given so I'm square in the middle of the Amazing window, so getting Perfects would feel like getting Goods haha.

[YoshL]

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the global offset is definitely in frames (i think to be 100% accurate, it's frames in 30 fps)

[DissonantMuse]

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I definitely need to give this a shot.

[Mourningfall]

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Great tutorial, bookmarking for future reference

[YoshL]

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so whenever I start my next session, I'm going to begin compiling a google doc of all the standard offsets I use on songs that I normally play, and I think it'd be productive if people also contributed their offsets to the sheet as well. Just as a nice community tool to use to make finding offset easier

[LogicalBeast]

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I'm going to begin compiling a google doc of all the standard offsets I use on songs that I normally play, and I think it'd be productive if people also contributed their offsets to the sheet as well

Funnily enough I had the same sort of idea, but I'm not sure if I have the patience to write offsets for all 1993 files in the game (well the ones I'm good enough to unlock anyway, plus some require like ultra grinding to unlock). Only caveat is that different hardware/software setups will reduce these numbers to educated guesses, but you could always take the difference between your offset on song x and their offset on song x, then apply that difference to all of the offsets from that player (same logic with this list, difference between your offsets and the list's offsets). Plus SubjectiveMania (I like mine onbeat/slightly late, some people like it soooo early I have no idea how they get a good score haha, but whatever works for them). One random tip I discovered which gave me a lil' boost in the FPS, for laptop players make sure you go to "Change advanced power settings" and check that Intel Graphics Settings/nVidia etc = Maximum Performance on plugged in/on battery.

Anyway, to chip in a few of mine (no Judge offset just the global @ 60FPS on standalone Flash Player 12, Intel graphics on a Samsung laptop). Bear in mind many are before I discovered your tutorial so I may amend these later for myself:
Dance 1
- Free Space: 1.74 (I've also done well on 2.01, undecided atm)
- Power = 1.83
- A = 2.01
- Syndrome Craze = 1.74
- Fly With Me: 0.99 (balls the syncing on this is terrible)
- Desperation Pandemic Day Mix = 3/3.21 (drifts soooo bad, can't find a good offset for it)
- Back to the Gate: 1.491 (used your tutorial to get it down to 0.005ms difference)

Dance 2
- Air: 2.82
- Vertex Beta: 2.039 (your tutorial)

Misc
- Uber Rave v2 = 3.09?

[YoshL]

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DARwFAYo2U9FSMQSiHnDAdMpa541cHIFvCyAPbtIVa0/edit#gid=0

I started with the tournament files really quickly, just for nice reference. I've used "the stormy song" as a baseline for sync (since I usually drift right around 1.25 in global offset)

If you'd like to contribute, pm me an e-mail and I can give you access to your own column and stuff

as a note, most likely I'd like to add harder spectrum songs onto the list first - easier songs are much more easily timed to visual (legacy songs are almost mandatory to visually time) and doesn't lend to really fixing offset much, and doesn't really matter in the FFR scoring scheme of things

[LogicalBeast]

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Thanks, I'll add the easier songs later as it will give me time to sort them by group and difficulty. Can test the tournament files too but I'm terrible at spread LOL.

[YoshL]

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just make sure to do the stormy song as a baseline that's all

[Dinglesberry]

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I thought the logic was to find YOUR offset for general songs...

Like for example, lets say that no matter the song, you consistently hit the arrows x frames early, so you set offset to a certain amount.

I figured the offset stayed consistent between the songs lol, I always use judge offset, figured it was based on how YOU hit the notes, not the song.

[YoshL]

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because of the way files are converted, there's a possibility of error between the actual audio and the frames in the 30 fps file, so different songs get fudged by differently, it's not constant over the whole songlist at all

judge offset is handy if you want your hitposition effectively moved up and down without the arrow to music sync changed. global offset physically shifts the chart so that arrows appear earlier/later

[Dinglesberry]

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because of the way files are converted, there's a possibility of error between the actual audio and the frames in the 30 fps file, so different songs get fudged by differently, it's not constant over the whole songlist at all

judge offset is handy if you want your hitposition effectively moved up and down without the arrow to music sync changed. global offset physically shifts the chart so that arrows appear earlier/later

Ye, I see the difference. I figured changing judge offset was a more personal thing on how you yourself hit the arrows, which is usually how I do it, and I'd use the global for music syncing.

Wouldn't ideally every song just be 0 offset and the songs corrected?

Also, I think I've seen people say they use late offsets on purpose to give them more time to hit fast things, I recall someone saying it regarding a tournament file, unsure how that'd work thought. I've also used offsets to do the tokens where you need to hit averages or whatnot.

[Soundwave-]

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Also, I think I've seen people say they use late offsets on purpose to give them more time to hit fast things, I recall someone saying it regarding a tournament file, unsure how that'd work thought. I've also used offsets to do the tokens where you need to hit averages or whatnot.

Things that are slow enough for you to read well are easy enough to hit accurately even when they are not sync'd with the music, but fast stuff that you react to causes you to be prone to hitting it late or drifting towards later and later hits, meaning if you play those sections with the music you're much more likely to hit accurately with a late offset.

[YoshL]

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imo if you're hitting hard sections late, then you need to learn how to hit them on time, not fudge your offset so that it's easier for you in your current speed/reading (also it's usually more of a matter of adjusting the judge offset there).

learn properly, and get better faster

[remedy1502]

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I play fast jumpstreamy shit with a later offset than everything else cause I'm slow and bad at it
also helps when I start hitting late cause no stamina