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  • YoshL
    Celestial Harbor
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Aug 2008
    • 6156

    #1

    YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

    YoshL's really quick "how to find your offset guide"


    Click the link for a listing of song offsets, and post if you want specific songs added/pm me if you want to contribute

    because the tournament is coming up and i feel like a lot of people will benefit from this

    For those of you who feel like arrows are coming too soon or too late, or feel like there's some sync issues at hand.
    This can be kinda seen when you're playing a file and you have an abnormal Perfect to Amazing ratio (with some random goods/other PA), where it feels abnormally high (for me, when i hit something around 1:2 perfects to amazings ratio, i feel like it's a little necessary to adjust offset).

    There's a fairly easy way to fix it. Just remember that you have to have a framerate of (probably) 60 or 120 etc. or something for this to work relatively well. *(unconfirmed)

    ================================================

    Step 1: select a part of the song that's very easy to get good accuracy well, but isn't slow. Usually this is a constant rhythm that you can tap, not single notes with large gaps in between. You don't want hard sections for this

    -------------------------------------

    I'm going to pick "System Doctor" as an example.
    I don't want to select the intro to the song because the notes are spaced way too far apart, and thus will result in you visually watching the arrows to the receptor, rather than relying on rhythmical accuracy.
    I don't want to select the ending of the song because there's nasty 32nd bursts that pretty much require mashing, or non-optimal accuracy to hit properly.
    I do want to pick some of the 8th note sections that are really easy to hit with good accuracy, thus i'm going to start isolating at note 510 as my section.

    ================================================

    Step 2: isolate said part (it's up to you how long you want to hold the section with good accuracy), and concentrate very hard on using only the audio for timing. If need be, try covering up the receptors in order to do this well.


    as soon as you're done
    with the section, you want to quit out of it. As you can see, I still AAAed the section in question, however the accuracy seems a little bit off.

    ================================================

    Step 3: right click the speed mod in order to get the "base offset" as I'll call it


    In my case, my accuracy was -.350 ms with a variation of .452 ms in either direction. The "base offset" would be -.350 ms. You can repeat this to get a better understanding of where your hits are centered. Longer sections of file that you hit will result in (probably) a more accurate offset.

    ================================================

    From here, you have 2 choices. Usually you would start with Choice 1, but if you find the base offset to be very similar regardless of what you set the global offset to, then probably choice 2 is the backup case.

    Choice 1: modify global offset (visual positioning)
    if you feel like the notes need to be shifted in respect to the music, in your options menu, go to your global offset, and set the value to the negative sign of your "base offset"


    because my "base offset" was -.35, i want .35 as my global offset.

    If you already are using a global offset, add the negative base offset to your current global offset.

    ================================================

    Choice 2: modify judge offset (judgement positioning)
    if you feel like the arrows are perfectly aligned with the receptors, or have been fiddling with global offset without finding any positive effects, then you'll probably have to mess with judge offset.
    Simply plug the "base offset" into the judge offset box.

    note: only use either choice 1 or choice 2 after a sync test. you can combine the choices, however when applying your base offset that you've found, only apply to 1. (or balance out the offsets, but this is probably not something you need to be worrying about)


    and that's pretty much it. Again, i usually default to choice 1 because it just works better for me


    and my accuracy skyrockets after fixing offset


    please also keep in mind that you'll probably have a general "global offset" that you'll hover around, but many songs are off by like .3 in either direction, some go waaaay beyond and require a little more tuning to get. A lot of the time, the offset delta will be like .1 and fairly negligable, however to more sensitive players it may still be a problem. With FFR's limitations, the need for these offsets arise unfortunately, however this is a workaround that doesn't take too much time, and honestly is 100% worth it in the end in terms of nailing out those extra-tasty scores.

    Happy arrow smashing!
    Last edited by YoshL; 07-11-2016, 12:25 PM.


    Originally posted by Charu
    Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.
  • User1176756

    #2
    Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

    then yosh follows his own guide and gets promo'd to d7. yea guys this thing is super effective.

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    • Kanzas
      Buh
      • Jul 2014
      • 1459

      #3
      Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

      Will test thoroughly today with progressive pics




      Top 5
      Pimp Slap - 7-0-0-1
      party 4u "holy nite mix" v2 - 5-0-1-2
      Fei Longer - AAA
      HELLBEAT - 9-0-1-3
      Flame Repellent - 5-0-0-0

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      • MikeShinoda12345
        *\(^o^)/*
        • Oct 2008
        • 1890

        #4
        Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

        world of dreams, iso beginning at 401, and masked accuracy worked really well for me ^^

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        • YoshL
          Celestial Harbor
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Music Producer
          • Aug 2008
          • 6156

          #5
          Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

          also take note that again, sometimes if you check your accuracy after a full song play, there may be sections of the song *(usually harder sections) that you might tend to hit earlier, or later than you'd normally hit just because of the difficulty. so while the final accuracy of a full playthrough might represent the actual accuracy that you hit throughout the song, it won't properly represent your true accuracy. instead of fixing your offset here, you would need to fix your playing (i.e. figure out whether you need to envision yourself rushing forwards or lagging behind on patterns/sections)


          Originally posted by Charu
          Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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          • rushyrulz
            Digital Dancing!
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Feb 2006
            • 12985

            #6
            Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

            Adding a link/reference for this thread to the ATTN: Velocity Players thread.


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            • Kanzas
              Buh
              • Jul 2014
              • 1459

              #7
              Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

              Originally posted by YoshL
              also take note that again, sometimes if you check your accuracy after a full song play, there may be sections of the song *(usually harder sections) that you might tend to hit earlier, or later than you'd normally hit just because of the difficulty. so while the final accuracy of a full playthrough might represent the actual accuracy that you hit throughout the song, it won't properly represent your true accuracy. instead of fixing your offset here, you would need to fix your playing (i.e. figure out whether you need to envision yourself rushing forwards or lagging behind on patterns/sections)
              This is definitely where I always had a problem. I would play something like Yoshi Cookie, and find the offset, but when I played (insert longer, harder files) I feel I would do trash, and thus think the offset I have is completely off due to way to many goods to perf/amz




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              HELLBEAT - 9-0-1-3
              Flame Repellent - 5-0-0-0

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              • YoshL
                Celestial Harbor
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Aug 2008
                • 6156

                #8
                Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                unless your perf/amazing ratio is off, if you're hitting a lot of goods, then it's just you playing bad, or bad lag


                Originally posted by Charu
                Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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                • Kanzas
                  Buh
                  • Jul 2014
                  • 1459

                  #9
                  Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                  A lot of the time my p/a was about 1.1 somtimes, 1.2

                  i'd say it's about 1.3-ish now after doing this. still get goods, but much lower, and i know thats just due to my decrease in skill and probably just my laptop




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                  Fei Longer - AAA
                  HELLBEAT - 9-0-1-3
                  Flame Repellent - 5-0-0-0

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                  • dell2150
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 397

                    #10
                    Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                    Is there going to be a quick tutorial on how to fix lag?
                    Last edited by dell2150; 06-21-2016, 12:45 PM.

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                    • YoshL
                      Celestial Harbor
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 6156

                      #11
                      Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                      YoshL's quick tutorial on how to fix lag






                      Last edited by YoshL; 06-21-2016, 12:53 PM.


                      Originally posted by Charu
                      Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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                      • Kanzas
                        Buh
                        • Jul 2014
                        • 1459

                        #12
                        Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                        That tutorial actually helped! Wow, YoshL got mad help skills. 10/10




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                        Flame Repellent - 5-0-0-0

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                        • V-Ormix
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 4677

                          #13
                          Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          YoshL's quick tutorial on how to fix lag






                          sonf a dink

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                          • Gradiant
                            FFR's Resident Trashpanda
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 1097

                            #14
                            Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                            I'm gonna use that right now yoshl, thanks

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                            • shenjoku
                              Wubalubadubdub
                              • May 2005
                              • 1697

                              #15
                              Re: YoshL's Quick "Find Your Offset" Tutorial

                              Well this fixed my accuracy problems, now if I could ever make it stop lagging it would be usable -_- I've tried a million things and every guide I can find and nothing ever works. It's really the only reason why I still use Velocity. At least that never lags on me =/

                              Thanks for the guide though, made it feel a lot better. One step at a time.

                              EDIT: I take that back. Figured out how to fix the lag by running fullscreen, but then I get these weird looking scanline type things that make it really hard to read. Almost there...
                              Last edited by shenjoku; 06-21-2016, 11:03 PM.
                              boop

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