Religion-free!

[lightdarkness]

guys....
this topic isnt about swords or fencing
i think it is slowly geting off topic.

And i think all of us can make a difference changing the sterotype, stop using the word "gay" so freely, like how you might say to a friend "your so gay", use "your so stupid" it might change someones life for the better, because what if you call a gay person that unknowingly.

[kineom34]

lol, lupin

lightdarkness, good plan

[Falcon]

Yes, but in an age where the average marriage lasts around 55 years, and the phrase 'until death do us part' is getting its meaning lost, marriage is no longer what it once was. Now its no more than a legal contract, which is basically what gay marriages are striving for. They want to be legally together, so on the off chance one dies or they divorce, they split the assests and save a lot of legal trouble and 'he says' uh...'he says'.

heres something that i thought was interesting in my psych class (from what i actually learned in my blasted psych class). the average homosexual relationship is much shorter than the average heterosexual relationship, on the basis of several things, all of which i wont remember because i'm too lazy to walk across the room and get my notebook... but thats beside the point. it involved things like: 1. insubstantial (sp) investments in the relationship... ie money involved, things bought together etc; 2. weak barriers to end the relationship... ie no kids, no house or big investments (most of the time) 3. less likely to stay together a long time... some for the reason that they cant get married, some for the reason that something better comes along. just so everyone knows, it has nothing to do with satisfaction rating. if anyone actually wants to know the rest of the reasons... i'll find them later.

[kineom34]

Hm . . . after reading that post, I just got really really confused You should find the actual shtuff

[goodkid]

Alright, this is an entirely scientific point of view. But if we were all g.ay what would happen to our civillization. If we were all ga.y then then humans would cease to exist. This actually might be why people hate homosexuals, in a way they are trying to preserve humanity, just like someone having sex. I personally don't feel a hatred toward homosexuals, but I don't agree with it.

[jewpinthethird]

But those who hate homosexuals are religion freaks.

[Laharl]

It is an affront in the eyes of God, so I am against it.

BUT

I will do what Christ would do and accept them and love them regardless. I wish people would focus on that more. That's what Christianity is all about. It's not, "YOU CAN'T DO THIS OR YOU ARE EVIL AND SHOULD BE SHUNNED".

Yeah, people do things that ar wrong, but hate is the worse sin.

[User6773]

But those who hate homosexuals are religion freaks.

Those who hate homosexuals are intolerant bigots, Jewpin, regardless of religion.

Religion is not the root of all hatred. Truly religious people are tolerant and loving.

[Laharl]

Yes, very agreed. That's what I was trying to get at myself.

[Falcon]

i agree with the both of you completely.

a good quote:
"hate the sin, not the sinner"

[XsmurfX]

my veiws on gay people:
i'm doing a homosexuality unit in school and , according to catholic faith "it is alright to be gay, just as long as you don't engage in sexual relationships."

so what does that mean? it means.. it's alright to feel a certain way, it's just not alright to act on your feelings.

for the record... i totally dissagree with this .

in our society, discrimination, for any reason, be it religious, or the way we were brought up kills us emotionally. if people wern't so insensitive to other people, the world would be a better place. unfortunately, this will NEVER happen. and that's alright. people as far as i can see, will have their own oppinions, but that doesn't make what your doing wrong, or right.

as far as "gay people bringing up kids/straight" , they survayed kids that have been brought up by gay couples, and most of the kids, (were talking around 95%here,) said that they would not be gay. if anything, these kids will be more sensitive towards predgidice .

i've heard many people using the word gay as a derogatory term. each time i hear it, i remind people not to say it. i have many gay/bisexual friends and i know that there all good people. i myself am straight, but in the big picture, were all the same.

[User6773]

Okay, this topic was originally dubbed religion-free. However, as it has been brought up many times in this thread, I must be an apologist for my faith. (No, this doesn't mean I'm sorry. Look it up.)

Speaking as a Catholic:

The Catholic ethos views homosexual inclinations as a challenge in faith - to overcome one's nature to serve God. Think about kleptomania for a second. They're inclined to steal, yet it's a mental challenge to not steal. It can be a major lesson in personal growth to be a lifelong virgin. It's not the path I want to take, but for many, it helps them get closer to God and themselves.

[Anonymous]

so the religion is saying you have to be "this" way or else your "evil" ...
i don't know.. i dont' agree with that much..
i don't see why homosexual people would be any different in "god's eyes" ...
we are all the same... underneith it all...
in my oppinion, we should be understanding of that and not descriminate.

[XsmurfX]

^damnit.. .. oki.. new years resolution .. to stop forgetting to sign in.. ^

[User6773]

so the religion is saying you have to be "this" way or else your "evil" ...
i don't know.. i dont' agree with that much..
i don't see why homosexual people would be any different in "god's eyes" ...
we are all the same... underneith it all...
in my oppinion, we should be understanding of that and not descriminate.

Okay, let's get a few things straight.

1) I wasn't talking about evil. At no point in my explanation did I say that homosexuals are evil, or that the Church believes such.
2) It's because homosexual acts are unnatural, and unnatural use of the genitals is forbidden by Church law. It's considered abuse of one's body, not unlike self-mutilation.
3) The Church has ~nothing~ at all against homosexuals. They're not intolerant in the least. The Church simply views homosexual acts as wrong.

You don't have to agree with what I'm saying. I'm just trying to present what the Catholic Church believes so people don't have inaccurate views of their beliefs. I'm not saying agree with me - I'm just presenting one side of the argument.