Religion-free!

[kineom34]

Is there anyone else, then who has a different view? Like maka, what about you? You said you didn't agree with it. any thoughts?

[JustJono]

Jewpin said that maka's religion enforces hate. I beg to differ - his religion just doesn't allow it.
It's the individual who enforces hate.

May offend - but it's true.

[Brainmaster07]

I think maka was kidding, like in middle school when we'd all say homework is againt our religion. (Maybe not, but knowing maka, probably)

And yeah, I couldn't care less if someone gay or not, just don't come after me.

[jewpinthethird]

Prejudice:

Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion. (dictionary.com)

True, it is the person who enforces the hating, but his religion is the root of it. Therefore, it is his religion that fuels the hate.

[Anticrombie0909]

Not neccessarily, Jewpin. makaveli doesn't really seem the religious type to me, but even if he was, he could just think that gay people are wierd and need to die. Thousands and thousands of people do, and I highly doubt all of them are devout Christians.

[lightdarkness]

I dont think that you can base a persons opinions on their religion. I am not a very religous person and i feel the way i feel... you might think i am christian, jewish, budist just on the way i feel. but that is not the case.

[kineom34]

But often times their religion is a bit of a clue to how the feel on some subjects. Not always a good clue though. I agree with Brainmaster, it seemed like maka was just joking, but maybe not, so . . .

[MalReynolds]

Being gaay is a-ogaay with me! (A-okay... Meh, bad joke)

Mal

[Falcon]

heres my opinion. i'll go ahead and say, i come from a religiously based point of view, so you know.

alright... according to many of the great thinkers (plato, aristotle, freud... thought freud is debatable as a great thinker) wrote entire books on what is natural for humans and their relationships. according to them (and this is part of my view as well) it is unnatural/ perverted (freud) to have a sexual relationship that is not devoted to actually producing offspring. seeing as homosexual relationships have no way to produce offspring (naturally) it is logically unnatural.

[User6773]

I agree with Falcon on this one - I think homosexuality is unnatural. However, I'm not going to be intolerant of anyone who is homosexual. On the topic of gay marriage, I don't think that's A-OK. Marriage is an institution that is intended to start a family. That's why it's between a man and a woman, because biologically only a man and a woman can produce children. Nature is set up that way. Children can't be raised properly with 2 male parents or 2 female parents. Human psychology is set up so that for optimal development of children, both a male and female influence are needed.

Jewpin - religion isn't the root of hatred; misinterpretation of religion is one of the roots of hatred. Since this topic is religion-free I won't go into how this applies to Christianity (my religion), but everyone: don't judge the teachings of a religion based on the people who practice it.

[IAMTHEEVILBEAN]

heres my opinion. i'll go ahead and say, i come from a religiously based point of view, so you know.

alright... according to many of the great thinkers (plato, aristotle, freud... thought freud is debatable as a great thinker) wrote entire books on what is natural for humans and their relationships. according to them (and this is part of my view as well) it is unnatural/ perverted (freud) to have a sexual relationship that is not devoted to actually producing offspring. seeing as homosexual relationships have no way to produce offspring (naturally) it is logically unnatural.

So that includes masturbation also

sort of

[Anticrombie0909]

On the topic of gay marriage, I don't think that's A-OK. Marriage is an institution that is intended to start a family. That's why it's between a man and a woman, because biologically only a man and a woman can produce children.

Yes, but in an age where the average marriage lasts around 55 years, and the phrase 'until death do us part' is getting its meaning lost, marriage is no longer what it once was. Now its no more than a legal contract, which is basically what gay marriages are striving for. They want to be legally together, so on the off chance one dies or they divorce, they split the assests and save a lot of legal trouble and 'he says' uh...'he says'.

[jewpinthethird]

Jewpin - religion isn't the root of hatred; misinterpretation of religion is one of the roots of hatred. Since this topic is religion-free I won't go into how this applies to Christianity (my religion), but everyone: don't judge the teachings of a religion based on the people who practice it.

True. Cookie for you.

[User6773]

Yes, but in an age where the average marriage lasts around 55 years, and the phrase 'until death do us part' is getting its meaning lost, marriage is no longer what it once was. Now its no more than a legal contract, which is basically what gay marriages are striving for. They want to be legally together, so on the off chance one dies or they divorce, they split the assests and save a lot of legal trouble and 'he says' uh...'he says'.

Anti, there are many gay couples who do want children, and who are unable to adopt because they're not legally married. Allowing gay marriage would do nothing but further their ambitions. Children should be raised by a male parent and a female parent.

I hear the arguments coming now.
"What about single parents?" That's an unfortunate situation, but the single parent tries to make the best they can out of the situation he or she has been placed in. Very few people choose to be single parents.

"What if the gay couple is more loving than a straight couple?" Even a loving gay couple is going to be less than ideal parents for a child than a straight couple. And the waiting list for adoption is far longer than the number of kids up for adoption.

By the way, is it possible for a mod to disable the language filter in this section of the forum, since we're involved in serious discussion that sometimes involves using less-tha

[Anticrombie0909]

Allowing gay marriage would do nothing but further their ambitions. Children should be raised by a male parent and a female parent.

I totally agree with you on that. And its because I'm thinking of the child's welfare, not the rights of the parents. At the risk of sounding prejudiced, I doubt if a gay couple would be able to raise a child as well, or even in the same way as a straight couple would. I mean, the mother of the family teaches the child one bit, the father another. Each has their own distinct way of doing things. Plus, there's always the question of what happens when the boy child sees his fathers kissing, and goes and kisses another boy in school. Not good.

Beyond that, think about how hard it would be, growing up with gay parents. Most people are ashamed of their family already, but think about bringing your friend home from school one day and you two finding your moms or dads kissing on the couch. And then there's all the people who discriminate against gays, the kid might not have any friends because either the other kids would shun and tease him/her, or the parents might not want their child over at their house. It just causes many problems.

And I agree, can we get a mod to get rid of the filter in this room? Bit annoying having your train of thought interupted every time you have to bypass the censor.