Government.

[h33t]

What is the deal with everyone speaking out about the government? Cover-ups, secrets and the like? Honestly, I cannot believe what I am reading in some of these posts. I realize that some are sarcastic, or I hope so. But all of them? People, I think you need to realize that the movie Conspiracy theory is fiction. And the X-Files is just a tv show. You elected this government, and it works for you (Assuming, you live under a democracy, so lets just say this post only targets Canada and the U.S.) Not that canada has ever done anything, or has anything to cover up, because they don't. Their biggest claim to fame, is well what? The invention of baseball? (That's right) and Basketball (That's double right) Had it with the brackets and the getting off topic so I can flame Canada the country I was born in? The point is, the government is working for you. El Presidente is under your thumb, because you sign his checks!

Please, enough of the whole government thing. Saying you didn't vote for Bush is not an excuse. In fact, if you didn't vote for him (i.e. voted for Gore most Likely) you need to eat bleach. Right now, go home, and hopefully your already there... eat it. Just do it.

Am I the only who thinks people are misinformed and should head back to their inane lives?

[Omeganitros]

For the most part, I am with you.

If they are covering up something, it's probably for our own good.

[perfect_fat]

Not that canada has ever done anything, or has anything to cover up, because they don't.

I'm not sure if this was english, but what about the current liberal sponsorship scandal, and the brian mulroney/air bus scandal?

The question is an if. IF the US president and his cabinet, dropped the ball and allowed thousands of americans to die on sept. 11, why should he be allowed to stay in office?

Bill Clinton lied about something far far less important to the nation, and he was impeached. If Bush lied about something 500 billion times more serious, why should he not be impeached? They're investigating to see if he lied, and the media is making it spin. There are people coming out of the Bush administration saying that they knew Sept. 11 was going to happen and did nothing to stop it. This is a bid deal. And Bush supporters more than anybody else should want to know if the man who they voted for and supported when the whole world was against him, lied to them for his own personal and financial gain (remember, oil prices have skyrocketed since that day.)

[DracIV]

Actually, the *one* person from the administration (actually leftover from Clinton) who came out and said that was caught in a major lie and all the things he said were proven to be lies (for money).

The records have proven that no one had any idea whatsoever that terrorists would try to smash a plane into something big like the Twin Towers. The thought that they might use a plane for hostages had occurred, but commiting suicide with the plane had not.

One more comment: the whole world isn't against him. In fact, only the enemies we are fighting are against us. Everyone else is either staying out of it or supporting us. If I remember correctly, the US actually had 50+ countries that had stated outright that they supported us entering Iraq. The entire "investigation" is actually a Democrat attack on Bush's strength to try and win the election through any means possible, no matter how underhanded it may be. (A very good quote that describes their tactic is this: "if you throw enough shit on the wall, eventually some will stick")

I think you are misinformed and you should go back to your inane life now.

[jazzmosis]

Canada has done plenty to be ashamed of - Sponsership scandal, Privatising the 407, Brian Mulroney.. hell, the whole Mulroney family is a joke. Hmm.. Air Canada - they sure buggered that, the LCBO ($40 per hour to stock shelves with booze), French-Canadians, the Illegal Quebec referendum, the Japanese Conecentration camps of WW2, Jean Cretien, Dalton McGuinty, Most of the liberal idealogy, The Ontario school system... University tuition. That's just off the top of my head.

Still, pales in comparison to Bush's radical stance on terrorism. Let's face it - our forum asshat could run the country better than Bush.

I could get deep into the problematic Bush government, but it would cause a hell of a lot of argument, and for the most part I don't feel it'd be worth arguing between schill "you're a dumbass" posts.

People like you say "don't complain", but if we didn't, the government would go wild and ruin everything moreso than they already do - it's our excessive complaining that keeps the government reminded that "it's not god".

[DracIV]

I still haven't heard anything that makes Bush sound like he has a radical stance on terrorism. How is fighting terrorism "radical" when they are actively attacking the things our country believes in? How is fighting someone who is threatening to kill you "radical"? You people are wierd if you think protecting yourself and the rest of the world is something to be avoided at all costs and worthy of the KKK or Neo-Nazis (as I saw in another thread)

[Jam930]

Canada took all the asians(namely japanese) based on physical characteristics and locked em up for the entire length world war two, took all of their land, and businesses, costing these hard-working asians literally billions of dollars. and then after the war, paid them reparations of like a few thousand dollars.

and for jazz's anti-bush. well bush has hardly ever done anything wrong, the united states simply is NOT strong enough to give everyone what they want. the country is currently in debt by hundreds of billions of dollars. the reason is terrorism. kerry is a bastard. if you'd investigate who he really is, and what he's said about what he's going to do, you'll find he's a piece of crap.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

its those ****** assed democrats and people supporting them that mess things up.

=/

[jazzmosis]

I won't really elaborate (I had a mass discussion on this in another forum, and I don't feel like re-writing it again) but Bush went into Iraq without proof of WMD, removed the threat of Saddam, and now is using the oil to fuel his own economy while covering it with the "we freed the Iraqis" crap.. and in Afghanistan he decimated the country to find one man, and didn't do it but left.

And with Iraq, North Korea is and always was a bigger threat, but Bush's government went to the middle east first - it's called "picking your battles". Iraq had a smaller consequence than nuclear war. Just a backlash socially. Meanwhile, he doesn't focus on the problems in his own country...

And I know all to well about the shame of the Canadian Government's WW2 Japanese concentration camps - it was only a decade or so ago that they formally apologized to the Japanese-Canadians. That was one of the most shameful moments in our history.

[User6773]

Bush had 200 days in office to prevent 9/11 after an 8-year policy of terrorist ignorance.

We could have had Bin Laden when the Sudanese offered him to us on a platter. During Clinton's administration. But he told the Saudis to take him.

[alainbryden]

I agree with all of you. Even those of you contradicting eachother.

[jewpinthethird]

I dont blame anyone for the terrorist attacks except for, well, the terrorists. Could it have been avoided? Possibly, but what is done, is done. Blaming someone for the mistakes of many wont help the present. I supported "the war on terrorism" when it was about terrorism. But when Bush and his administration suddenly jumped to Iraq, I thought that was kind of screwy. Bush and his administration had no backing from the U.N., the rest of the world was against the war, and they had no evidence.

Canada supported the war because...well, its Canada; Japan because of they want help with North Korea; and Britian because...I dont really know.
So we went into Iraq, "took control", found no WMDs, declared the war over, now its almost a year later, and more people have died after the war.

Now, Bush is asking for help from the U.N., Iraq is falling apart. AND IT COSTS ME 25 FUCKING DOLLARS TO FILL UP MY GOD DAMN HONDA CIVIC.

In fact, only the enemies we are fighting are against us. Everyone else is either staying out of it or supporting us.

RUSSIA, BELGIUM, GERMANY, FRANCE, SPAIN, AND CHINA ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MAJOR COUNTRIES AGAINST THE WAR.

if you'd investigate who he really is, and what he's said about what he's going to do, you'll find he's a piece of crap.

INVESTIGATE THIS:
http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.../jon_7131.html

Lest we forget about the Japanese-American internment camps? http://americanhistory.si.edu/perfectunion/experience/

Oh, and "El Presidente" isnt "under our thumbs", because you know what happens to those who dont sign his check? They are sent to jail.

[Anonymous]

Jewpin, you were wrong on one thing, Canada did not support the war. We did have one troop in Iraq, because he was working in a US army unit.

As for DracIV, his arguments sound like he listens to Rush Limbaugh. Richard Perle was never disproven to start with, and I've seen numerous FBI agents, including a translator who later made it to the mass media, talking about major terrorist activity right before Sept. 11. IF that didn't set off warning bells, I don't know what would.

Bush had 200 days in office to prevent 9/11 after an 8-year policy of terrorist ignorance

And how long should he have? 2 years before he is expected to do anything reasonable? You can't blame Clinton for GWB taking more vacation days than any other president in history. The democrats and the republicans are both useless, and Kerry wouldn't be much better than Bush, but maybe a little better on domestic issues.

And what about domestic terrorism? Street gangs, hate groups etc. They are more dangerous to the American way of life than foreign terrorism.

So sit in your nice cozy home, eat all you want, and keep it in your head that your president is the greatest man that ever lived and that he would never do anything wrong, and just ignore everything that doesn't keep you in your little bubble.

[jewpinthethird]

I thought the first casualties in the Iraq war were Canadians after some Americans shot their helicopter down....or that might have been the first Iraq war.

[RobbyZero]

Government and my theorie.

They're the ones who release new viruses ( not all of them but like AIDS and shit yeah )

They are corrupt,people need to stand together against them and overcome them

[User6773]

I supported "the war on terrorism" when it was about terrorism. But when Bush and his administration suddenly jumped to Iraq, I thought that was kind of screwy.

Terrorists and their allies are our enemies. Iraq was a close ally and shelterer of Al Qaeda. In addition, you don't think that the rape and torture and murder of Saddam's own people BY SADDAM constitutes terror? And the fact that Saddam was trying to get WMDs, and he has repeatedly said he hates us and wants to kill us?

Bush and his administration had no backing from the U.N., the rest of the world was against the war, and they had no evidence.

Wrong. The following countries have troops in Iraq:

Albania, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Czech Republic, Denmark, Georgia, Estonia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, Ukraine, the United States, and the United Kingdom.

And those are just the ones that have TROOPS in Iraq. Just because socialist European countries don't like us doesn't mean the whole world doesn't like us.

As for evidence, we had plenty of evidence - the same evidence the UN had when it passed Resolution 1441, saying that Iraq had WMDs. Read it. http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=S/RES/1441%20(2002)&Lang=E&Area=UNDOC