FFR Patterns & Names (updating currently)

[MagicCarpetRide]

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trills bro

[bmah]

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FFR bastardizes a lot of music terminology. But in this case, yes, triplets on FFR refers to a group of three arrows, most notably as a minitrill of some sort like 121 or 424. However, this most definitely will confuse some people, as in general music terminology, a triplet is REALLY a note in 12th value. On FFR, you guys would just call it "12th notes" or "purple arrows". >.>

Cross-terminology is also confusing when you see it being used in multiple rhythm games. The beatmania community will refer to "rolls" as what FFR would refer to as "trills", simply because it plays in an alternating pattern as if you're hitting a drum roll (but FFR interprets this motion more like trilling notes on a piano instead). Conversely, FFR would consider rolls as 1234 patterns, whereas these are simply chromatic or staircase patterns according to the beatmania community.

So yes, clarification for terminology specifically related to FFR is crucial.

[jprox445]

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trills bro

Adding more don't worry

[who_cares973]

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screw music terminology !!!!!!

[hi19hi19]

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FFR bastardizes a lot of music terminology

This! Forget any music terminology you might know, because it's probably wrong in the context of FFR/SM lol

Also the other thread was fine... I can't think of much to add there except anchors, which is a difficult term to come up with one image for as it refers to a specific feeling, not a specific pattern per-se. You can have jack anchors and stream anchors and jumpjack anchors... it refers to the "single note repeated with crap going on around it" more than it does any one specific pattern. In fact I'd argue strongly that a runningman is a type of stream anchor, just one that already has a different name.

[qqwref]

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screw music terminology !!!!!!

Honestly, I agree with this. A lot of music terminology is really bizarre and counterintuitive, and dates from a time when people thought about rhythms and pitch in a fundamentally different way than we do now. Just look at music notation itself to see how silly some of the ideas are. And from what I've heard music doesn't even have a good word for jacks, a concept which is arguably one of the most important factors in higher-level 4key play.

Anyway, music only uses "triplets" for 12ths because it was based around the concept that everything must be in terms of 4th/8th/16th/etc notes, but all the Stepmania-family games have 12th/24th/etc notes by default, so we can feel free to use that word for other, more useful stuff. The concepts of measures, time signatures, upbeat/downbeat, and many more are only useful at all for Western performance-based music, and we shouldn't be using awkward terminology just to make a couple of people feel like they don't have to relearn anything. IMO, using what's natural has worked great so far.

In fact I'd argue strongly that a runningman is a type of stream anchor, just one that already has a different name.

This is a very good point.

[who_cares973]

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i always considered runningmen an anchored stream

we can call anchored jump jacks angrymonkeys

[bmah]

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Music notation counterintuitive and bizarre? I don't think I'd go as far as to make that claim. It's just a different system that bases its foundation on steady beats. There's nothing bizarre about that. It's all relative. That's still standard and norm for how we define note value in music. It's only bizarre to you qq because you put more value on absolute length of a note as opposed to steady beats being the basis of your foundation of understanding note lengths.

[qqwref]

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I don't know what you mean by "steady beats" but my criticism isn't based on not using "absolute value of a note" - it's on the current music system being so rigid that expressing anything out of the ordinary becomes weird and awkward. For example, the triplet notation, or dotted notes, or denoting fast notes by just dumping on a line every time you divide the note in half. Guess what the 64th note was called in the old system? Hemidemisemiquaver. The entire thing has the feeling of something that started out as a nice basic notation for writing 16th note rhythms in 4/4 time, with every new rhythmical development being an awkward add-on rather than becoming a seamless part of the whole. And historically, that's pretty much what happened, so there you go.

and that's just the rhythm stuff, I don't even need to get into how the staff notation being based on the (mathematiclaly irregular) C major scale makes writing music in other scales unpleasant, or how most instructions are still written in Italian for everyone. Honestly, it's a wonder anyone learns to read this stuff.

[hi19hi19]

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staff notation being based on the (mathematiclaly irregular) C major scale

This, a million times... most people don't even know that the western scale isn't even broken up correctly- the "wolf interval" usually between E flat and G sharp is a few cents off compared to other intervals that are technically supposed to be the same size.

Music notation is a complete mess, moreso than most casual musicians realize. Take a course on the history of music notation someday, it's pretty goddamn hilarious how bad the modern system is lol

[00Razor00]

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no point in making another thread for this

[00Razor00]

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double post but this thread should probably be closed considering jprox is permabanned and he himself won't even be able to update it

[CammyGoesRawr]

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so much truth in that one post.

plus, +1 that this thread is pointless