MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

[hi19hi19]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

In b4 hitting one key with different fingers is "cheating" as well.
Alternating index middle ring on one key like pianists do for repeating notes.

[qqwref]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

I had the trill isolated in its own file and I must have tried HUNDREDS of times to AAA it without overlay. It was hard enough just to FC it with a decent PA distribution, let alone AAA it. The success rate is just so low that it's not worth it,

So you're saying... "It was too hard to do it legitimately, so I cheated." ;D

Dossar and Zeta have AAA'd the trill in isolation without overlay, but not the whole song - all the current AAAs are with overlay setup.


From my perspective, overlay setup on keyboard rhythm games IS cheating, but it's cheating that is allowed on FFR, because the admins have said so. And I guess it's acceptable in pad too - there are patterns out there that were specifically designed for overlay play. But I imagine if you hit the jacks in JHM with overlay (and the rest with spread) you'd be laughed out of the SM Scores Thread.

EDIT:

Like Rubix said, I also believe it's a losing argument:
- If overlay is considered cheating, I've been cheating on every song in the game.
- If overlay is considered cheating, everyone who has changed styles in the middle of a song has cheated the score (for example, indexing trills regardless of speed).

It's not quite the same. When you switch styles during a song, the key is that both styles are legitimate playstyles in and of themselves, so it's fine as long as you don't abuse the differences between the two to do something like double setup a down jack (as you said). The difference between that and overlay is that with overlay you are hitting a single jack pattern using two fingers on the same key. The kind of setup used to hit the trill would be considered cheating if you did something like it for the whole song, and so it's still cheating in combination with spread.

[Reincarnate]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

qqwref: Uhhhh... did you not read the rest of the post? Most of the justification was in the nature of overlay setup itself. I *chose* to use overlay because no, I couldn't do it without overlay. But the point is it's not cheating. It's taking advantage of legitimate strategy.

Besides, this gets into the whole argument of why action X is legitimate here but not here, here, and here. "How a file was intended to be played" has its whole set of problems that you can't argue without invoking a lot of arbitrary hip-firing.

I mean, if I use overlay setup on JHM, so what? What about index on FOTBB? Is that cheating, too? Or should I be forced to use four-finger? Is only one playstyle allowed? Is it cheating to use the bar? Perhaps speedmods are cheating, too? Or how about mirror, changing a hard left-handed pattern to a right one? What about people who play three-finger like smartdude, who adjusts positions during songs constantly? Maybe it's cheating to use keyboard altogether -- DDR is a foot-game, after all, and FFR is merely a translation to a new medium. I mean, you can go anywhere with these types of arguments.

As far as I'm concerned, arguing that overlay setup is cheating is a lot like arguing against gay marriage (lol). There are no arguments you can really come up with and defend with any degree of strength without ultimately resorting to personal whining.

As long as you're playing FFR with four arrow keys and a set of human fingers, anything's fair game, as far as I'm concerned.

[smartdude1212]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

I used to be primarily three-finger, but for a while now (since the 4th Official or so) I've been largely using spread. I'd say there are many benefits in being a hybrid player -- especially since you don't restrict yourself to one style of play or one method of hitting patterns. Back in my extreme-obsession days, I'd have a variety of ways of playing different harder songs. I'd convert from spread to 3-finger to what-have-you in order to hit one-hand trills or jumptrills or runningmen with ease (even though I could do them on spread, but with less reliability). Plus, when I still moderately utilized three-finger, I found that I had more speed as a result. My speed is utter shit now.

However, what I don't understand is how some people can view this as cheating. It's like saying that when you play DDR you must either strictly double-tap crossovers and spins or execute them as they flow with your feet -- otherwise, you clearly cheated.

As for the OP, just experiment with different playstyles, different keyboard setups, and different ways of hitting things. Eventually you'll find a rhythm that simultaneously makes patterns easier and improves your PA.

And, if it helps, my current keyboard setup is SDEF (in-game settings) and 2468 on the numpad (numlock on). Incidentally this setup allows my keyboard to register hands.

[~Zeta~]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

I'll do it when I have a keyboard with lighter keys.

[Reincarnate]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

Flat keys work well too

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

lubix

[Emithith]

Re: MrRubix Crowdpleaser format

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If you want to totally call Overlay cheating, just remember that the original way to play is ULDR and not DFJK etc.