[Math] Summation Help

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  • SKG_Scintill
    Spun a twirly fruitcake,
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    • Feb 2009
    • 3875

    #1

    [Math] Summation Help

    So my math teacher gave me a book to work with so I can do some math work for later studies I'm aiming for. Now I've encountered something I don't understand, and luck is with me: my math teacher won't be here for the next couple of weeks >.>

    Here we go!
    I've been given this formula to work out summations:


    From what I understand (just so people can see if I interpret the symbols wrong):
    A summation equals half of the top number (n), multiplied by (the first solution of the series (a1) + the last solution of the series (an))
    With this assumption, I got this question:


    Which I worked out like this:


    But when I put the question in WolframAlpha (like most of us do I expect), it tells me the solution is 16958.
    I don't have pro, so I can't see a step-by-step solution.
    What did I do wrong?

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    Edit: I solved one summation before where this method DID work. The main difference I see is that it has k=1 instead of k=10, but it isn't explained that it makes a difference.


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    Edit minutes later:
    Wait, is the first formula incomplete? Because I do get 16958 if I use the length of the series (10 through 70 being 61 numbers), and not n.


    Is there something important that's not being told here?
    Last edited by SKG_Scintill; 04-24-2014, 02:00 AM.





    Originally posted by bluguerilla
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  • One Winged Angel
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    • Mar 2007
    • 10837

    #2
    Re: [Math] Summation Help

    Use length of the series (upper limit - lower limit + 1) over 2 as your multiplier. Formula you were given only applies when k = 1 and should've been rewritten if other questions have other lower limit values.
    Last edited by One Winged Angel; 04-24-2014, 02:11 AM.


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    • igotrhythm
      Fractals!
      • Sep 2004
      • 6535

      #3
      Re: [Math] Summation Help

      Another way to look at it is to write out the first few and last few terms of the series. This also might give you some insight into how that summation formula came about.

      K starts at 10. 7K-2 then equals 68. When K=11, 7K-2=75. And so on, up to K=70 when 7K-2=488.

      The sigma is really just a short way of expressing
      68+75+82+...+474+481+488. Let's see what happens when we add that series to itself...but the second one is turned around!
      488+481+474+...+82+75+68. This is the same as the first because addition is commutative. Now we add up pairs of terms.

      68+488=556
      75+481=556
      82+474=556

      Hey, there's a pattern! Each pair adds up to the same number! And since we know how many pairs there are, we can just multiply that out! 556*61=33916...but wait, that's the result of TWICE the sum. So after we've divided by 2, we find that the sum is 16958.

      So yeah, you're reading it wrong. A summation equals half of the number of terms in the series, times the sum of the first and last terms. The formula you were trying to use at first only works when the number of terms equals the value of n.

      (this is what I get for trying to be fancy)
      Last edited by igotrhythm; 04-24-2014, 02:21 AM.
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      • SKG_Scintill
        Spun a twirly fruitcake,
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Feb 2009
        • 3875

        #4
        Re: [Math] Summation Help

        Well sure, that's the short version of Gauss' anecdote :P
        But I don't care about materialistic examples, I just look at the formula and figure it out from there.
        My problem now is that the formula seems wrong? Shouldn't it be:

        Where k1 means the value of k in the first iteration (the bottom value)
        Last edited by SKG_Scintill; 04-24-2014, 02:37 AM.





        Originally posted by bluguerilla
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        . RHYTHMS PR LAYERING
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        • emerald000
          the Mathemagician~
          • Nov 2005
          • 1320

          #5
          Re: [Math] Summation Help

          The formula only works for k=1. If you have a summation that starts from another number, you can split the summation:

          Sum(k to n) = Sum(1 to n) - Sum(1 to k-1)

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          • SKG_Scintill
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            • Feb 2009
            • 3875

            #6
            Re: [Math] Summation Help

            Oh nice, I tried something like that while fumbling about. I think I did the second sum to k instead of k-1. So close :P





            Originally posted by bluguerilla
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            • emerald000
              the Mathemagician~
              • Nov 2005
              • 1320

              #7
              Re: [Math] Summation Help

              The kth term is in the summation, so you don't want to end up deleting it.

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              • SKG_Scintill
                Spun a twirly fruitcake,
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                • Feb 2009
                • 3875

                #8
                Re: [Math] Summation Help

                You know what, why make another thread about a single question.
                This is completely unrelated to the OP, but it's just another math question.

                I have no idea how to do this, and sadly, neither does my teacher
                I don't know all the technical math in english, so bear with me...

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                Define at the given polynomial f(x) and the given number "a" a polynomial g(x) and a number "b" in such a way that f(x) = (x - a)g(x) + b

                f(x) = 2x^2 + 3, a = 1
                ---

                This is how far I get:
                2x^2 + 3 = (x - 1)g(x) + b

                ...After that I just get entangled in the quadratic formula.





                Originally posted by bluguerilla
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                • emerald000
                  the Mathemagician~
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 1320

                  #9
                  Re: [Math] Summation Help

                  Originally posted by SKG_Scintill
                  You know what, why make another thread about a single question.
                  This is completely unrelated to the OP, but it's just another math question.

                  I have no idea how to do this, and sadly, neither does my teacher
                  I don't know all the technical math in english, so bear with me...

                  ---
                  Define at the given polynomial f(x) and the given number "a" a polynomial g(x) and a number "b" in such a way that f(x) = (x - a)g(x) + b

                  f(x) = 2x^2 + 3, a = 1
                  ---

                  This is how far I get:
                  2x^2 + 3 = (x - 1)g(x) + b

                  ...After that I just get entangled in the quadratic formula.
                  2x^2 + 3 = (x - 1)g(x) + b
                  2x^2 + 3 - b = (x - 1)g(x)

                  Since 2x^2 + 3 - b is a second degree polynomial and (x - 1) is a first degree polynomial, g(x) will be a first degree polynomial in the form of cx + d.

                  (cx + d)(x - 1) = 2x^2 + 3 - b
                  cx^2 - cx + dx - d = 2x^2 + 3 - b

                  So c = 2. That leaves:

                  2x^2 - 2x + dx - d = 2x^2 + 3 - b
                  (d - 2)x - d = 3 - b

                  So d = 2. That leaves:

                  (2 - 2)x - 2 = 3 - b
                  -2 = 3 - b
                  b = 5

                  So g(x) = 2x + 2 and b = 5.

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                  • SKG_Scintill
                    Spun a twirly fruitcake,
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                    • Feb 2009
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                    #10
                    Re: [Math] Summation Help

                    Oh, fancy!

                    Thanks





                    Originally posted by bluguerilla
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                    • SKG_Scintill
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                      • Feb 2009
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                      #11
                      Re: [Math] Summation Help

                      Double post, but is "b" always f(a)?





                      Originally posted by bluguerilla
                      So Sexy Robotnik (SKG_Scintill) {.0001/10} [--]
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                      . RHYTHMS PR LAYERING
                      . ZOMG I HAD TO QUIT OUT TERRIBLE
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                      • emerald000
                        the Mathemagician~
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1320

                        #12
                        Re: [Math] Summation Help

                        Originally posted by SKG_Scintill
                        Double post, but is "b" always f(a)?
                        I totally forgot about that theorem. Here's a proof:

                        Let f be a polynomial of degree n. The formula for dividing f(x) by (x-a) is:

                        f(x) = g(x)(x-a) + b, where g(x) is a polynomial of degree n-1 and b is the remainder of the division.

                        Let's see what is the value of f(a):

                        f(a) = g(a)(a-a) + b
                        f(a) = g(a)(0) + b
                        f(a) = b

                        QED

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