Another free will discussion

[Patashu]

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So far, AI is infact very unlike the human brain.

Human brains are designed to be incredibly modular and plastic, a neural network that can take its inputs and be wired to produce any result given enough feedback. No AI has nearly this level of development available to it - it's programmed imperatively, using fixed guidelines that will never change. The first AI will program itself.

[Reincarnate]

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One of the most important aspects of the brain, imo, is its ability to generate abstractions. That in itself is huge.

[stargroup100]

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I would like to point out that I agree with Rubix and Reach. Not that anyone cares or that it matters but I'm just saying.

Personally I think this is a pretty clear-cut argument. We think we have free will because our brains can consider the different possible decisions we can make, but the fact of the matter is no matter how many times you "go back in time and redo the decision-making process" you're going to pick the same decision.

However, this does not mean the future is predetermined or determinable. I'm simply stating that free will doesn't exist.

[Reincarnate]

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Actually the future is pretty much predetermined -- even if you get into random quantum weirdness, the wave function itself is deterministic

[Reach]

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I would agree with that statement as well; the universe makes sense in the context of it being deterministic.

With that said, it is probably impossible to ever be able to measure that determinism exactly to the point where all future outcomes could be predicted. We will probably always have to rely on statistical models.

[Reincarnate]

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Yeah, a big problem is that things fall out of sync with your model if you reach too far into the future because a small lack of precision early on turns into a huge threshold of uncertainty later. And this assumes you're even taking into account variables that explain most of the variance to begin with.

[Attractive]

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I am moved by deep currents, the likes of which I scarcely understand. These currents guide me and are manifest as mere surface ripples. Looking at the surface, one does not see the tumultuous violence that guides beneath.
I am but a medium through which the forces of life are expressed.

[Cavernio]

Re: Another free will discussion

So far, AI is infact very unlike the human brain.

Human brains are designed to be incredibly modular and plastic, a neural network that can take its inputs and be wired to produce any result given enough feedback. No AI has nearly this level of development available to it - it's programmed imperatively, using fixed guidelines that will never change. The first AI will program itself.

Oh there totally exists games where the AI's in them change depending on what you do. True they follow strict guidelines, but our physiology does too. There also exist games where you can pit one AI to another AI, and they will change the way they play depending on what the program does, a program which may incorporate randomness as part of its input. The game does change itself.
But as for determining things like qualia and what a mind experiences, I don't exactly need a hugely plastic brain in order to see light, it has to simply be plastic enough to have a difference for 'light' and 'no light'.