Quantum Gravity fix'd?

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    FFR Simfile Author
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    • Jun 2003
    • 7471

    #16
    Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

    Originally posted by deltro300111
    Given a rudimentary knowledge of a variety of stuff, and a computer- why shouldn't this be right?

    Anyway, it is my understanding that in general, String theor(y/ies) tend to assert that all matter is comprised on a subatomic level of tiny, 1 dimensional, vibrating strings. The intensity with which they vibrate determines the objects mass/energy (made one in the same), and their shape determines other properties.

    That's the extent of my knowledge.

    Here's where we get into the part that just seems too obvious to me.

    Gravity = Rate of Entropy

    Basically, the rate at which individual strings vibrations become less intense should determine the rate at which normal masses are capable of attracting others from a short range.

    This leads me to believe very strongly that we're not going to see gravitons.

    Theory is just great.
    This isn't a troll post, I swear.

    The initial idea was somewhat unclear but given my quickly progressing knowledge of the subject I've come up with a more clear idea of how to portray it in real terms.

    String theory quantifies the basest particle to be energy, one unit of which is a string.

    Low energy Strings interacting with other low energy Strings gives a chance for a 0-energy situation, because of destructive interference of waves.

    With 0-energy, it collapses into a dimension where it can exist with this much energy, a slight reduction of total mass, and bending of space.

    This should neatly explain black holes as infinite entropy entities,
    and why a large amount of matter causes gravity by simply slipping out of existence at a constant rate on a quantum level.

    This idea leaves room for dark matter/energy.

    It also could explain why we haven't seen Gravitons yet.

    Entropy defines the 4th dimension of our universe. Why not let it be a path in and out of the universe's self-feeding stars, and seemingly self-feeding nothingness?

    First of all, entropy doesn't have a rate. Defining it as S, entropy is essentially a measure of the portion of energy in a system which is unable to do work.

    Gravitons are definitely compatible with String theory...much more so than the standard model, given that like every other particle, it is a state of a given string.

    Basically, what you're saying at the end of your first post is that string vibrations are responsible for gravitational behavior, and the 'intensity' of the specific string behavior will determine the strength of the gravitational field, which should be contingent on the disorder of the system. This is because intensity determines energy. Ultimately, this means there are no gravitons.

    However, this explains nothing, even if we ignore the misunderstanding of entropy. It does not explain how gravity exerts it's force. Rather, it states something relatively obvious that has nothing to do with gravitons.

    Gravitons would be a specific manifestation of specific string behavior. What you're saying does not argue for or against this idea.



    With respect to your second post, while some of this is interesting speculation, I don't think M theory allows for much of this. Links to the support for ...essentially any of these statements?

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    • deltro300111
      FFR Player
      • Aug 2003
      • 1014

      #17
      Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

      The string theory stuff was an incorrect conclusion because I didn't really know what I was talking about, but it made me stumble upon a more interesting conclusion.

      We can't know how much matter is being lost to entropy, because it's basically becoming what we percieve as emptyness at a constant rate, the only way we detect it is by the time distortions three dimensional matter disappearing creates.

      Assuming standard model, relativity, etc. if you can actually call the amount of energy being lost "NOT MEASURABLE" <-- (the new idea created in my theory here), then it explains gravity, and why gravity increases so much when this "NOT MEASURABLE" entropy, while not breaking any laws.

      My sources surrounding this speculation are just wikipedia, honestly I just read a whole lot, and came to what sounded like a plausible conclusion using what I know about the universe.

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      • deltro300111
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2003
        • 1014

        #18
        Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

        Holy ****, I think this really really has weight to it.

        Someone over at SA appears to have named it, "Vector icosahedral multifield theory"

        I can't find this name anywhere else.

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        • deltro300111
          FFR Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 1014

          #19
          Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?



          HAH. In your FACE old people.

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            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jun 2003
            • 7471

            #20
            Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

            Originally posted by deltro300111
            The string theory stuff was an incorrect conclusion because I didn't really know what I was talking about, but it made me stumble upon a more interesting conclusion.

            We can't know how much matter is being lost to entropy, because it's basically becoming what we percieve as emptyness at a constant rate, the only way we detect it is by the time distortions three dimensional matter disappearing creates.

            Assuming standard model, relativity, etc. if you can actually call the amount of energy being lost "NOT MEASURABLE" <-- (the new idea created in my theory here), then it explains gravity, and why gravity increases so much when this "NOT MEASURABLE" entropy, while not breaking any laws.

            My sources surrounding this speculation are just wikipedia, honestly I just read a whole lot, and came to what sounded like a plausible conclusion using what I know about the universe.


            Well, I have never heard of Vector icosahedral multifield theory. SA? Icoshedral multi-model sets are an incredibly complex way of describing higher dimensional superspaces, but I fail to see how this is relevant to what you have said.

            Also, while what you had said before was ultimately pointless, at least it made sense. This however, does not, so you have some clarifying to do.

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            • deltro300111
              FFR Player
              • Aug 2003
              • 1014

              #21
              Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

              Considering the things that I am proposing, a 4 dimensional universe is a 3 dimensional perpetual motion machine. But it balances out, because all the energy that the fourth dimensional object exhibits in 3 dimensions exists both negatively and positively.

              There's a big bang, and a negative big bang.

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              • deltro300111
                FFR Player
                • Aug 2003
                • 1014

                #22
                Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                All mass is emitting non-mass, all the time, at the same rate.

                This principle explains gravity neatly with Standard Model.

                Did I just put a bunch of string theorists out of a job?

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                • QED Stepfiles
                  FFR Player
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 130

                  #23
                  Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                  Dude, but the problem is that your normalized wavefunctions don't actually form an orthonormal subset of the space of continuous mappings. You have to remember that energy is quantumly defined as the rate of decay of momentum, which is caused when diagonalizeable matrices are applied to yield eigenfunctions that produce integrable solutions. First, you have to establish that a diffeomorphism exists between the Standard model and the theory of entropy decay as it relates to constructive and destructive interference of wave forms in one dimension, and then you can attempt to generalize this by tensoring in the quotient space defined by the union of all finite abelian groups that are isomorphic to S_4. You have to define a Hausdorff topology and a metric too!

                  Stop missing obvious holes in your argument damnit.

                  ---

                  Bottom Line: guys, why in heaven's name are we still humoring this thread?

                  Can we please just leave it be and let this post fade away into blissful obscurity?

                  (and seriously, if you really want to talk about the more explicit details of string theory and QFT or any other highly quantitative physical theory, you need to start making MATHEMATICAL arguments rather than just handwaving it all and stringing big words together that don't necessarily make sense. Anybody who's literate and who has access to the internet can do that)
                  Last edited by QED Stepfiles; 01-29-2009, 01:16 AM.




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                  • deltro300111
                    FFR Player
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1014

                    #24
                    Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                    String theory is holographic, because if all mass exists as one dimensional strings, then what they are suspended in can only be absolute zero, which is impossible.

                    If someone has a something awful account, look in D&D -> Academic/education, one of the Graduate Student physicists called me sir.

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                    • QED Stepfiles
                      FFR Player
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 130

                      #25
                      Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                      Stop ignoring my concerns for your argument. Tell me what metric we're using and we can continue.

                      No more posts from me in this thread after this. Admins, it's probably in your best interest to close this thread lol...




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                      • deltro300111
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 1014

                        #26
                        Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                        Originally posted by QED Stepfiles
                        Stop ignoring my concerns for your argument. Tell me what metric we're using and we can continue.

                        No more posts from me in this thread after this. Admins, it's probably in your best interest to close this thread lol...
                        Are you yourself a string theory grad student, because it would be into your interest for an idea like this to slip into obscurity.

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                        • deltro300111
                          FFR Player
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1014

                          #27
                          Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                          There's really not much debate here, this is a unified theory that seems to explain a lot of stuff. Some very recent productions of academia on quantum mechanics really seem to support this conclusion.

                          CERN's broken-ness which my theory would predict to have happened, as creating that high level of energy would increase entropy, and temporarily increase the gravity around there.

                          If you guys really had gotten it with String/M/whatever, then the existence of gravitons would make sense, but it simply doesn't.

                          11 dimensions? no way.

                          The idea that all matter is emitting non-matter all the time neatly explains gravity within the constraints of all the laws that the universe is governed by.

                          Really now, 11 dimensions...

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                          • devonin
                            Very Grave Indeed
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                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 10120

                            #28
                            Re: Quantum Gravity fix'd?

                            So far you've failed the basic test of logical rigor in terms of both explaining your argument in cogent and reasoned terms, as well as in responding to the questions and criticisms of your objectors. Since it seems like you're insistant on continuing to do that, I'm closing the thread.

                            As soon as you have some math to back up what you're saying or at least some responses to the issues raised by QED Stepfiles and Reach, we can see about reopening the thread.

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