The Code

[rst20]

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I find it strange that in our society, in which every little detail is throughly examined, that everyone seems to take the Bible for granted. Besides for people like Brown (even though he, himself was not behind what his book says), very few people seem to question religion publically.

[devonin]

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The first rule of christian club is you do not question the bible
The second rule of christian club is you do not question the bible.

[AriesMalvis]

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he didn't say everything in his book was true, he states what things are factual...like certain groups and documents...
he never goes to say yea it's totally true that there's a royal bloodline and they're trying to protect their holy grail

[rst20]

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he didn't say everything in his book was true, he states what things are factual...like certain groups and documents...
he never goes to say yea it's totally true that there's a royal bloodline and they're trying to protect their holy grail

I've read the book, but what I was trying to say was that it's nice to know that some people will question this thing [religion] that people so often just take for granted. I know that his beliefs are different from his writings, however the book generated a good deal of controversy. I believe this is good; people should question their faith.

[FaintScent]

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Hmm.. this topic is interesting..
As A catholic I don't belive in this, I don't belive that Jesus married Mary Magdelene and ran away with her and so on and so fourth...
Although Dan Brown has created a great fictional novel -- I just can't really picture it. I have at times wondered about my religion but atfer leaning more about I just have a stronger faith towards it.

[theinsomniacnimrod]

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I'm biased here because I see the Bible as a work of fiction as well as Dan Brown's novel. So if both are fictional I have nothing to question and have no opinion.

[AriesMalvis]

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^you are wayyy awesome =]

ok just found the quote i was looking for
twas on my facebook
'Faith is a continuum, and we each fall on that line where we may. By attempting to rigidly classify ethereal concepts like faith, we end up debating semantics to the point where we entirely miss the obvious--that is, that we are all trying to decipher life's big mysteries, and we're each following our own paths of enlightenment.
-Dan Brown

[devonin]

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As A catholic I don't belive in this, I don't belive that Jesus married Mary Magdelene and ran away with her and so on and so fourth...

Is there a particular reason why you can't consider this as a possibility? There are 18 years in the prime of his life completely unaccounted for in the bible, is it really that crazy that someone whose sole purpose for being was to live a good, proper, and completely human life would not take part in the holy sacrament of marriage, would not take part in God's directive that humanity go forth and multiply?

[sherbtail]

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People also draw paralells to this in the fact that Joseph and Mary were also jewish, and it was somehow inconcievable that they could have a child and remain married without having continued to live a normal life after the birth of Jesus which presumably means sex, which presumably means more children, which presumably means Christ had siblings.

I find that one much more likely than to believe that Jesus was married and had children of his own. I can absolutely believe that Joseph and Mary went on to have other children who lived fairly mundane and normal lives, once we see Jesus teaching in the temple at 12, suddenly he's 30, and carrying out the last three years of his life, there isn't really -room- to spend on discussing his boring old family back at the workshop, so they don't.

Jesus did have siblings, I'm pretty sure they are right they're in the bible, one was called James I think, and I can't remember the other names, haven't got time to look them up now, might post it up later

[Lamoc]

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Well now, thats... intresting. So the bible is false?

[rst20]

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The bible has been translated and passed down over hundreds of years. It is very likely that some of it has been misconstrued through time.

[devonin]

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Well now, thats... intresting. So the bible is false?

I think it is far more accurate to say that the veracity of the bible is subject to question. I don't believe you can -prove- that it is historically true on grounds that many of the claims put forward of, among other things, miraculous occurences are by their very nature unreproducable, and just unprovable, but I also don't think you can -prove- that it is -all- historically false if just because a decent number of the events depicted do in fact correspond to events for which there is a dearth of evidence to support.

If you were to put forward the stance that the Old testament was True but not Factual, and that the New testament was Factual, but with some exaggeration of Jesus' abilities, you'd have what I would consider a fairly well-thought out and defensable stance for why you should be able to use the bible as a primary source to explain your faith and beliefs.

Edit: And because I'm sure someone is going to post about my use of "True but not Factual" I'll just pre-emptively explain:

True: Reflects reality insofar as what it describes accurately reflects the way reality works (ie. A story about someone tormenting a dog that then attacks the tormenter can be "true" even if it never happened as described, because if you -did- torment the dog, it is true that the dog -would- almost certainly attack you)

Factual: Reflects reality insofar as what it describes is a faithful reproduction of actual events that actually happened in reality.

[sherbtail]

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Is there a particular reason why you can't consider this as a possibility? There are 18 years in the prime of his life completely unaccounted for in the bible, is it really that crazy that someone whose sole purpose for being was to live a good, proper, and completely human life would not take part in the holy sacrament of marriage, would not take part in God's directive that humanity go forth and multiply?

The thing is if you believe that he was sent by God etc. then you believe in God, and you probably believe God would tell you something major like Jesus marrying

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-siblings.html

muaha, I told you I would find it, he had four brothers, James, Joseph, Simon and Judas (different Judas...) and some sisters who aren't named. They are mentioned in quite a few bible verses all listed on that helpful website

[devonin]

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The thing is if you believe that he was sent by God etc. then you believe in God, and you probably believe God would tell you something major like Jesus marrying.

Except that the new testament was written by Jesus' followers, not by God, and as I already pointed out, everything from 12-30 is just not there. Is it safer then to assume that for 18 years Jesus just sat in a box, drinking water and eating bread doing absolutely nothing noteworthy, or is it safer to assume that he lived a pretty well normal life, travelling around, teaching, discussing, living his life, and it was just not considered especially relevant compared to the major events of the last three years of his life?

[sherbtail]

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Yeh but it was inspired by God, meaning it's perfect, basically God wrote it through those people, everything he wants is in there. So yeh, Jesus probably lived a pretty normal life between those years, carpenting and teaching and the like