Impossible Math Question?

[Tps222]

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I'm unsure of the "him" some of you are referring to in regards of helping "him" solve it. What I was looking for was something similar to Reach's explanation of what it is and why it hasn't been solved. I really don't care if it can be solved or not, because it's way over my head.

[Billydude]

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hmm... I dont really even understand the question. What is P and N and NP? And I dont know how to play minesweeper. lol. Try translating it in a B+ kind of guy term.

[Reach]

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Well alright, since most people don't understand what P=NP is, I'll explain it.

It has to do with computer type algorithms and how computers solve problems. P is essentially talking about positive solutions, more specifically ones that can be solved quickly in polynomial time, and the answer has to be Yes or no (non yes and no answers are reffered to as FP=FNP). NP is essentially saying that, if P is true, then they can also be computed quickly (by computer algorithms) in polynomial time.

I suppose to understand this you would have to imagine a problem which the solution is obvious, but that would be very hard to compute a perfect proof of it. So, imagine a group of numbers of some size, all integers. Could they add up to zero? Of course, the answer is yes, however, it could take a computer a very long time to prove this is possible, depending on the size of the group.

So a proof of P=NP would say any positive yes or no solution to a problem would say that it is also possible to compute this quickly in polynomial time. So if I say, it is possible to crack a military cryptogram(the answer is yes), if P=NP is true then it should also be possible to compute this and crack the password in polynomial time.

It does get considerably more complex, but most of the problem is in NP. Yes or no solutions are easy, but an NP solution in polynomial time is not. Noone has been able to find an algorithm that is able to do this.

However, that doesn't mean it's impossible. It is most likely very much a possibility, but people like to say it's impossible because...well, mostly because we havn't made any progress on it. That doesn't prove anything though, other than that we arn't smart enough to do it.



A proof of P=NP, in my opinion, is worth far more than a million dollars. If it was proved things would change very quickly. The consequences of such an algorithm would change the computational world quite a bit. Imagine how easy it would be to crack a code, for example in cryptography. Password key safety would immediately become an enormous problem...because anyone would bea ble to crack your key. However, the benefits would outweigh that negative aspect

[RandomPscho]

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Thank you for the explanation Reach

[RB_Dreamscanner]

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wow reach dats a..weird avatar u got there and i dont under stand how the he;ll u did thta math problem =/

[lord_carbo]

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lmao let's get aperson

[hafelife]

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you cant solve it with what"we" call math because it is flawed take this for a EX if you try to find out how a buble bee fly with math you cannt becase the size of the wings dose not give anufe lift to life the bee so ether bees cant fly or "math" is wrong


srry if i spelled any thing wrong

[SCWolf]

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lmfao.
you might have.

And now i'm going to my dad. He's like insanly amazing at math.

[SCWolf]

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well i got my dad. he read the whole thread and said; if anyone wanted to figure that out, they would have to dedicate their life to that one problem, although if they did succeed in solving it they would be filthy rich. I asked him if he could do it and he said that he'd be long dead before he would be able to finish it.

I guess that means no one on these forums has a chance.

good luck FFR Mathmaticians!

[Kilgamayan]

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lmao let's get aperson

I showed him this thread when Tps first made it.

His response was "hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha".

[Tokzic]

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Don't three or four of these weigh heavily on cryptology?

I understand that with P=NP or the prime number frequency equation, you could program a skeleton key for almost any security system.

[hafelife]

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still think t is imposable

[hafelife]

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still think t is imposable

[8Shade8]

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1. don't double post.
2. this is CT... don't be stupid. Steven HawkinG is a physicist, not a mathematician.
3. your absolutely basic grasp of the concept is not helpful towards any kind of discussion
4. That's. stake. which. interrogate. mathematics. etc, etc, etc...

Lets review this for a moment. What is physics, in the literal meaning of the word. It defines the use of math in physical structure. The dictionary defines it as :

a science that deals with matter and energy and their interactions in the fields of mechanics, heat, light, electricity, sound, and nuclear phenomena.

Now Mr. Tasslefoot, lets look at just a couple of aspects of physics. Steven Hawkins is and I quote

Stephen Hawking has worked on the basic laws which govern the universe.

Now, I don't know if you know, but I have taken college classes. I also graduated High School today; my father is taking Physics as a minor at OSU. There is a ****LOAD of mathmatics involved with Physics. E=mc^2 for instance, is what gives us a concept of the speed of light. Without Physics there would be a very vague concept of math; it is what governs our universe. Which brings me back to Steven Hawkins, and why he is relative to this thread. I am sure if he really wanted to (right after making the laws of the universe and all) he could figure out an equation that "might" have an answer or "is possible to answer, but none of us on FFR are smart enough to figure it out." I was simply implying that if you guys would like an answer to your question, instead of asking people who play video games all day (which is fine, but there not making the laws of the universe here) you can easily E-Mail Mr. Hawkins at this site:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html

Seeing as Albert Einstein is dead, you're most likely out of luck, as he would probably be one of the only people who can answer your question.

Shade

[Reach]

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E=mc^2 for instance, is what gives us a concept of the speed of light

Uh, E=mc^2 is a fundamental equation in that it is telling us energy is equal to mass. Really, this equation has nothing to do with c other than the fact c is in it; it's really about the fact mass is another manifestation of energy.


Hawking is not a mathematician. Just because Hawking does math doesn't mean he would be an ounce of good here. Hawking is overrated; he's not the smartest person in the world just because he rides around in a wheel chair, gets media attention and made some discoveries. People really need to get out of their little Hawking cloud when it comes to brains. He doesn't know the answer to everything; really, he's like a good many more physicists but ended up becoming well known through his work with black holes and primarily through the books he wrote.

Hawking deals with Theoretical math models and things like Quantum mechanics, Riemannian geometry, 4 dimensional Lorentzian geometry, 8- dimensional tensor calculus and lie algebras/ ect.

This really is of no use when trying to solve a theoretical computer algorithm.