Wisdom

[lord_carbo]

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Tass FTW!!! Damnit times likes these make me wish I actually could find people to play D&D, although these moments are rare

[Jam930]

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Knowledge is just what you know. You can teach a monkey new tricks but it isn't really any more intelligent.

Intelligence is how you can work with creativity and knowledge. Thinking power and mental organization.

Wisdom is decision making... a successful combination of knowledge and intelligence through experience.


This is just kinda how I see it.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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simply put:
intelligence is knowing what to do (eat more fruits)
discernment is knowing when to use intelligence (I should eat when hungry)
wisdom is actually applying intelligence (I'm now eating an apple)

That's my opinion

[esupin]

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Sophocles:
"A short saying often contains much wisdom."

Wisdom is not about what you know, it's about what you have experienced or what you do in reaction to certain circumstances.

People can grow smarter, but they might not nessecarily be more wise. Think of a caveman. If he finds a club, he's going to find someone or something to hit. We have technologically progressed a great deal in these thousands of years, obviously, but are we any more wise?
Instead of using clubs, we now use bombs.

[MonkeyFoo]

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My 2 cents (AKA MonkeyFoo's First Treatise on Wisdom):

Intelligence is the mental component of the ability to adapt to one's surroundings. (from a psych textbook, loosely)

Knowledge is, well, what you know.

Wisdom is a subcategory of knowledge. It is knowledge about situations that you already have, so you can react to situations that you have learned about through experience or otherwise. It is knowledge telling us what to do in a certain type of situation.

For example, if you come to a round hole and you have 2 pegs to try to fit into it, you could use your intelligence, which tells you that the square peg's corners stick out too much to fit. Or, you could use your wisdom, which tells you that you need the same shape peg as the hole in order to get the peg through.

Wisdom does not need to be deep thought. It is simply knowledge about what to do in given situations, and a lot of it is very common.

Finally, intelligence is more helpful in the capitalist society we have, because it helps us to adapt to the swiftly changing marketplace. Intelligence is more valuable anyway, because it can take the place of wisdom, but if the predicament is something deep and value-based, the wisdom generated by others' intelligence is useful because:
A. You know if it is good wisdom if it has survived many years in the marketplace of ideas.
B. It takes a long time to generate your own solution to many such problems.
C. You may not be very intelligent, so developing your wisdom can help you make better decisions despite this deficiency.

I need to stop myself now or else I will become less coherent, but I will address what Esupin wrote here:

You're exactly right about the fact that people can become smarter without getting wiser. I think you fly way out to the left, however, when you suggest that we are no wiser than cavemen. Back then, there were no means to record wisdom other than personal memory. There wasn't even verbal communication (probably). Now, we have millenia of wisdom built up. Much of our wisdom today comes from holy books like the Bible.

This brings me to the fact that sometimes, wisdom can get outdated. The wisdom of the most intelligent people of centuries past may not be as good as the best we are capable of today. For example, the Bible says that, to treat leprosy, a priest should look upon the skin of the afflicted, and if he see black skin with white hair upon it, he is to scream "Unclean!" twice, and then shut up the afflicted in a room for seven days, and then repeat the process thereafter. This is NOT the best way to treat leprosy. The field of medicine is an example of wisdom that is constantly being updated, and is typically less reliable the further back into history you follow it.

I need to stop writing now, I hope that you all have a better understanding of at least how I view wisdom.

[[Prophecy]]

Wisdom is achieving one's own potential and wasting none of it. To achieve this, one must have a tremendous understanding of both himself, and his surroundings.

A wise man once told me this:

"A wise man knows when to hold his toungue. This is why people never seem to understand the virtue of wisdom because of the reasonable question left unanswered by silence. This is also what seperates them from fools, who remove all doubt when they speak."

[businessman07]

wisdom

Only when you can describe the state of being wise will you understand "wisdom"
"J" has spoken (dong)

Really, if you look at all your posts your saying the same thing. but from a different point of view than each other. only when you can put yourstelf in another persons point of view. you can understand loosly Quoted "when to hold your tounge" or do anything for that matter. You see a wise man can not experience everything there is to experience alone, he uses his perseption of others and his experiences to gain true knowledge.
but again what is wisdom, knowledge, or intelligince for that matter? only someone truly wise.

Have I confused u enough?

[ckj846]

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Thanks. I have another interesting question. Do you think that wisdom is differently viewed in different cultures and religions? I think that in Judeo-Chrisitian wisdom, age and experience is more valuable to the definition of wisdom. However, in Islam wisdom, knowledge and the things that you say seems to be considered wise. What do you think?
O_o

[Tasselfoot]

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Personally, followers of Boccob are going to be more inclinded to follow Intelligence over Wisdom, as they're mostly mages... on the other hand, follower of Hextor wouldn't care about either and would just try and cleave you with an axe.

Pelor followers would be the most likely though... as many of them are clerics.

[MonkeyFoo]

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Good point, Tass.

Moreover, I believe that wisdom itself is always defined as the same thing, no matter where you are. But, between ideologies, there are differences between what is good and bad wisdom.

[zzthelegendofmax]

Wisdom isn;t concrete therefor there is no real definition of wisdom. But what i think it is is being knowledgeble up to your full potential. Academically its not very high for me compared to others but that where no concrete definitions for it comes in. I dont know if that makes much sense but that what i have to say on the topic sorry about the spelling its not my best area.

[Jam930]

Wisdom isn;t concrete therefor there is no real definition of wisdom. ...

What is real?



This whole thing is a dumb circle... either that or one step forwards and 2 steps back.

=/

[sleeplessdragn]

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Or, you know... Stubborn. Being stubborn isn't wisdom or common sense. Common sense is not touching the stove, because it's red hot... Not yelling at people for having different views. 8)

Was I the only person who found this really funny?

Anyways, I define wisdom as humble advice, because I have always found that the wisest, most experienced people are not overly expressive of advice because they wish for others to experience what they have first hand.

Or one could be considered wise if they are at least 100 years old. I mean what picture do you get when you think of wise?

[Jam930]

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[sleeplessdragn]

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I meant it as frame of reference, a sarcastic one, but that response was damn funny. GJ.

I usually get the stereotypical old Asian guy or girl in my mind though. As is such I tend to associate wisdom with age, though I know that isn't always the case. Oh, and war veterans. Now there's someone who is ALWAYS wise.