Regarding Hell.

[jazzmosis]

. However, in contemporary philosophy, one of the three rules of thumb is that nothing can come from nothing.

Well obviously something has to come from nothing, or nothing would exist in the first place.

I disagree with the Christian view that anyone who doesn't believe in Christianity goes to hell. I think as long as you try to act good in your life, you should go to heaven.

As for the existence of these places, I agree it would disprove our theory of God, but maybe we have a misconception of God. Even going back to the story of Adam and Eve shows that our God is imperfect as the beings he created are imperfect. I personally believe in a sort of imperfect God, or else all of His people (us) would be perfectly happy and flawless.

I'd put this in the same post but they're really not connected thoughts.

That's a problem with God. God is supposed to be a "perfect being". That's what god is. Anything other than perfection makes God... not god.

"God is a being of immense power who would not/could not lead his kin astray". That's my one quote, but it's based on alot of Philosophical studies throughout my life and University courses, and that's the basic idea/definition of 'God'. If he creates imperfect things, that doesn't necessarily mean he's imperfect, but that he wanted to create something not perfect. But if he could never lead us astray, creating something imperfect would only prove an imperfection in himself - an imperfect thing is not all it could be, which reflects on the creator imperfection in oneself. How, then, can a perfect being create imperfect beings? However, if God is imperfect, then it's not God. And if it's not perfect, how can one trust anything it's ever done can be agreeable?

[Bahamut-X]

There is no physical proof that god is real, therefore we can assume he doesn't exist. Humans made him up. People are just scared of death and are afraid to die, and they need the comfort of religion to assure them that after death they will be able to live again in an afterlife. I myself find it extremely amusing that people would choose to believe such a theory, that there is a god and he created all of humanity. These people choose to believe something that has no evidence to back it up. I just think that's stupid.

[Tank101]

Re: RE: Regarding Hell.

Technically that's the premise in Christianity as well. The only sin great enogh to deny you entrance to heaven is the denial of Jesus in your life... But that does mean that all toer religions do go to hell... heh..... So basically, as long as you're Christian you''re going to heaven, and if you're not, you're going to hell.

Oh wow, what a great opinion!

I hate religion. People think, "Well, everyone that's not my religion will burn forever, b ut that doesn't mean I should exclude him, I will treat them as equals."

Religion sucks. It's the cause of almost every war. And the cause of people like blahblah18.

[Layla-Day]

There is no physical proof that god is real, therefore we can assume he doesn't exist. Humans made him up. People are just scared of death and are afraid to die, and they need the comfort of religion to assure them that after death they will be able to live again in an afterlife. I myself find it extremely amusing that people would choose to believe such a theory, that there is a god and he created all of humanity. These people choose to believe something that has no evidence to back it up. I just think that's stupid.

well.....say you are studying for a test,and three bonus questions are worth 50 pts each, and youre kinda slippin in that class. and you dont know whether economics is going to be on the test or not. wouldnt you rather study for it anyway....and the next day..you look on the test and its there than to not study and miss the oppurtunity...and so far...it the only thing that makes so far. im sure that one day a man and woman didnt just decide to sprout out of the earth's surface.

And...at least learn about religion before you criticize it. You have to read a book to find whether is sucks or(excluding reading the summary on the back), so actually gather information about something before you criticize it, because im a christian and no christian I know has a mind like that. either you dont have a clue what you're talking about....or maybe youre hanging around the wrong people.

[Bahamut-X]

Excuse me, I'm entitled to an opinion too, and that is the way I see it. Just because I don't study religion doesn't mean I don't know a little about it. And you think I'm hanging around with the wrong people? Well apparently you haven't noticed that I am not the only non-believer of god. I'm just going by facts. You're going by sheer belief that has pretty much nothing to back it up. I'm guessing you didn't choose to learn about religion, you were probably forced to. I can't name even one kid that enjoys going to church. You were probably forced. If it was your decision things may have turned out different.

[slimshdy425]

I believe in God because I think there has to be something more to life. I just find it hard to believe that the universe just exists...goes about its business...came from nothing- I just think that's strange. I'm not crazy like some people about studying the bible and believing everything it says is true, I just think there has got to be something more to our existence (like many people think).

I definetly don't believe that anyone who doesn't believe in God go straight to hell or something- that's just stupid.

[Layla-Day]

Excuse me, I'm entitled to an opinion too, and that is the way I see it. Just because I don't study religion doesn't mean I don't know a little about it. And you think I'm hanging around with the wrong people? Well apparently you haven't noticed that I am not the only non-believer of god. I'm just going by facts. You're going by sheer belief that has pretty much nothing to back it up. I'm guessing you didn't choose to learn about religion, you were probably forced to. I can't name even one kid that enjoys going to church. You were probably forced. If it was your decision things may have turned out different.

i didnt mean to offend you. i apoligize for that...but there's a few things we must clear up...I'm not a kid and i love going to church. and...what i was trying to say is that you were stereo typing christians by saying we that we think we are the only ones going to heaven...im saying if you Do hang around christians...they arent them. And no i wasnt forced. actually i had the choice. Every sunday...my parents went to church without me. but one day...i went along one day...And that very day in 1991...I knew that that's what i wanted to do. Go to church. And theres some things that may seem impossible...but life is not ever what you expect it to be.

So i apoligize if i offended you in anyway...but if I did, it wasnt on purpose.

Anyway..now that I'm older...i see how different our opinions are..and im not going to shove mmy religious beliefs down your throat...im just just trying to share My beliefs.

[jazzmosis]

You believe "God" has always been - why does that make it so hard to believe that the Universe has "always been"?

[prayerbassist15]

I agree that there has to be something else out there after life on earth.I think no matter how you look at it religion and christianity are two totally diffrent things, religion is based off of tradition, on the the other hand christianity means to be "Christ like", my point being that I think this life is only the prequel, the pack before the actual journey so to speak. So thats why in this life time I think your not just living just to live but to prepare as well.



-prayerbassist15

[slimshdy425]

You believe "God" has always been - why does that make it so hard to believe that the Universe has "always been"?

I've thought of that myself before, and sort of figured tangible things in the universe probably came from something intangible that has 'always been'. Something has to be able to create matter, and obviously that something cannot be a tangible thing as we've learnt from the Law of Conservation of Matter, so I think a Greater Being has (or had) this ability.

[acurtiz]

Atleast in the new testament, God is full of compassion and mercy, so what about the people who live where they are not exposed to the Bible's teachings? They don't place their faith in Jesus, obviously, so will they go to hell as well? I once asked a youth group leader this question and he answered me with this statement. "Wherever you may be, you can see the work of God around you. Even though they do not live where Chrisitianity is practiced, they should assume that God and Jesus do exist and they should proceed to follow the teaching of the bible."

I am at a time in my life when it is not uncommon to question religion. His answer did not help Christianity's cause. I would consider myself agnostic at this point, but I believe if there is a heaven, good people who do not believe should be allowed intrance as well.

[xp_guardian]

"God is a being of immense power who would not/could not lead his kin astray". That's my one quote, but it's based on alot of Philosophical studies throughout my life and University courses, and that's the basic idea/definition of 'God'. If he creates imperfect things, that doesn't necessarily mean he's imperfect, but that he wanted to create something not perfect. But if he could never lead us astray, creating something imperfect would only prove an imperfection in himself - an imperfect thing is not all it could be, which reflects on the creator imperfection in oneself. How, then, can a perfect being create imperfect beings? However, if God is imperfect, then it's not God. And if it's not perfect, how can one trust anything it's ever done can be agreeable?

Go read genysis chapter 1. God did not creat Imperfect beings (humans). he created sinless humans with the freedom to choose for themselves. we chose a life of sin and theres nothing we can do about it now. Jesus (god son) came to earth and was born in a barn basically to show that he didnt come here just for rich, he came here for everyone. as he grew up he was dispised because of what he taught. almost all of the religeous leaders of that time hated him. go read Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John in the new testament of the bible and u will further understand what im talking about. after that read the book of Revelations (its the last book in the bible). it tells that christianity will come under attack in "the end times". what is happening now on the news and stuff? people are trying to take God out of America. these days that we are living in are the end times. Jesus will return ANY moment without warning and all of his followers will be taken to heaven. believing in Jesus and accepting him as your savior will change your life. believe me. if u choose not to believe in him u will surely go to Hell. Revelations also talks about "the 7 year tribulation". after all of Jesus' followers are taken to heaven a man claiming that he is God. will rise up and create world unity. but dont be fooled, this isnt world unity, he will require a mark or the back of the right hand or on the forehead. i warn you right now, DO NOT TAKE IT!!!!!.if you take this mark you will SURELY go to hell. you will not be able to buy or sell without this mark and all but 144,000 who dont take it will be killed.
i cant force you to believe what im saying. im just asking you to. but if u choose not to believe it and you are alive when thousand of people just disappear ( refered to in the bible as " the rapture") please remember this post on this forum. later

[Layla-Day]

"God is a being of immense power who would not/could not lead his kin astray". That's my one quote, but it's based on alot of Philosophical studies throughout my life and University courses, and that's the basic idea/definition of 'God'. If he creates imperfect things, that doesn't necessarily mean he's imperfect, but that he wanted to create something not perfect. But if he could never lead us astray, creating something imperfect would only prove an imperfection in himself - an imperfect thing is not all it could be, which reflects on the creator imperfection in oneself. How, then, can a perfect being create imperfect beings? However, if God is imperfect, then it's not God. And if it's not perfect, how can one trust anything it's ever done can be agreeable?

Go read genysis chapter 1. God did not creat Imperfect beings (humans). he created sinless humans with the freedom to choose for themselves. we chose a life of sin and theres nothing we can do about it now. Jesus (god son) came to earth and was born in a barn basically to show that he didnt come here just for rich, he came here for everyone. as he grew up he was dispised because of what he taught. almost all of the religeous leaders of that time hated him. go read Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John in the new testament of the bible and u will further understand what im talking about. after that read the book of Revelations (its the last book in the bible). it tells that christianity will come under attack in "the end times". what is happening now on the news and stuff? people are trying to take God out of America. these days that we are living in are the end times. Jesus will return ANY moment without warning and all of his followers will be taken to heaven. believing in Jesus and accepting him as your savior will change your life. believe me. if u choose not to believe in him u will surely go to Hell. Revelations also talks about "the 7 year tribulation". after all of Jesus' followers are taken to heaven a man claiming that he is God. will rise up and create world unity. but dont be fooled, this isnt world unity, he will require a mark or the back of the right hand or on the forehead. i warn you right now, DO NOT TAKE IT!!!!!.if you take this mark you will SURELY go to hell. you will not be able to buy or sell without this mark and all but 144,000 who dont take it will be killed.
i cant force you to believe what im saying. im just asking you to. but if u choose not to believe it and you are alive when thousand of people just disappear ( refered to in the bible as " the rapture") please remember this post on this forum. later

Thank you for informing them on that.

P.S. old thread so.....let it go.

[LostUserName]

I can't think of any sin so terrible as to warrent being cast into an eternity of pain. It is my personal belief that hell is more like prison. Reflect then rehabilitate into what God wants.

[Layla-Day]

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