Does anything matter?

[Hakulyte]

Re: Does anything matter?

The physiological needs like breathing, eating food, sleeping and staying healthy enough to be alive matters. If it truly didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be alive right now.

Also, what you need and what you think you need are the only things that could potentially confuse you about this topic. Once you're past preferences, this is pretty obvious stuff.

Refer to Maslow's pyramid if you want to google something related it.

High school tier question in Critical Thinking yay.

[IamMe90]

Re: Does anything matter?

Reasoning is a matter you take in your own hands, hell, we are made of matter. What I'm saying is there's no way to be alive were matter doesn't concern you. A statement to commit suicide is equally impractical as thinking there is some unequivocal "meaningless" denominator to everything.

what the hell

you know that there are two definitions of the word "matter" and that they aren't interchangeable right

[Arch0wl]

Re: Does anything matter?

Not sure if serious question but nothing has "inherent value" since the value of something exists in the subject who perceives it and not the object being perceived.

this is the correct answer

alternatively, in case anyone has trouble understanding why it's right:

define "mattering". you won't be able to come up with anything consistent that applies outside of human biases.

[llyair]

Re: Does anything matter?

A lot of interesting points! But I think the concept that resonated with me was perception... I don't think we'd even be able to perceive something as "not mattering" unless we knew of something that mattered more.

Just like we couldn't perceive an enclosure as "dark" unless we were aware of the existence of light, and could perceive the darkness as an absence of light. It's relative, but implies that things do, in fact, matter.

As for the matter of inherent value, how can we possibly be an expert resource on assigning absolute value to things that, for all we know, exist according to the unexplored and unexplained phenomena of the entire universe, when we can't even perceive anything beyond 4 dimensions?

Ahaha bad pun / already used but couldn't help it! XD

[V-Ormix]

Re: Does anything matter?

what the hell

you know that there are two definitions of the word "matter" and that they aren't interchangeable right

Matter:

Noun: A physical substance in general, as distinct from mind and spirit; (in physics) that which occupies space and possesses rest mass, especially as distinct from energy.

Verb: Be of importance; have significance.

Some thing that occupies physical space i.e. "matter" has significant value in that it isn't "nothing". Are you implying that because they are not "interchangeable" definitions I can't use both of them in the same sentence to describe each other?

edit: I'll just let you use common sense to digest weather or not I used both meanings in the same context.

[stargroup100]

Re: Does anything matter?

this is the correct answer

alternatively, in case anyone has trouble understanding why it's right:

define "mattering". you won't be able to come up with anything consistent that applies outside of human biases.

This is the best response in the entire thread because it essentially demonstrates why the question is nonsensical.

[Reincarnate]

Re: Does anything matter?

Does survival matter to a virus?

Does wind erosion matter to a rock?

[Nullifidian]

Re: Does anything matter?

What are the other components he's asking then MrPop?

Anyway, picture the universe without any conscious being there to observe it. What would have value? What does that tell you about inherent value?

[ilikexd]

Re: Does anything matter?

How to live an everyday life, and what sorts of things should be valued to bring about that everyday life.

Like, I think the follow-up question would be "Okay, nothing has intrinsic worth and value is subjective, so then what should matter subjectively?" No matter how arbitrary value is, we still make these judgments of worth and need to understand how and why to figure out what matters to us. Like, even arch and stargroup saying that nothing has intrinsic value is the correct/best answer is a value judgment, meaning that certain answers matter more than others:

Sure, but that's a follow-up question and not some component of his original question, which is what you were claiming. The original question quite specifically asks about inherent (objective) value, so a short and simple answer doesn't stop short. The question of deriving subjective value in life is a whole other topic.

[V-Ormix]

Re: Does anything matter?

I think the fact that we exist enabling us to ask and discuss such a question matters in and of itself. To neglect ourselves as a component only opens the hypothetical paradigm were ironically we are trying to prove what some thing is isn't on both sides of the spectrum.

Yes, innately, an answer would imply personification of a beginning with no beginning vice versa a beginning that is by its very definition. How could some thing not have a beginning?

It seems their are two distinctly parallel perspectives who will never reach agreement making questions as these unanswerable much like the nature of our composition were it takes two terminals of positive and negative charge to arch existence giving energy.

[ilikexd]

Re: Does anything matter?

I think the fact that we exist enabling us to ask and discuss such a question matters in and of itself. To neglect ourselves as a component only opens the hypothetical paradigm were ironically we are trying to prove what some thing is isn't on both sides of the spectrum.

Yes, innately, an answer would imply personification of a beginning with no beginning vice versa a beginning that is by its very definition. How could some thing not have a beginning?

It seems their are two distinctly parallel perspectives who will never reach agreement making questions as these unanswerable much like the nature of our composition were it takes two terminals of positive and negative charge to arch existence giving energy.

That doesn't make any sense.

[Hakulyte]

Re: Does anything matter?

Looks like my human view post is pointless, let's try again with a slightly more objective view.

"Nothing matters with only one known exception."

If a human being or any form of life with reasoning capabilities decide to assign matter a value and care about it, anything can matter (for them).

What matters is going to become directly interconnected to the being that care about it. It can be expanded to others through communication and become something that matters on a bigger scale.

Matter is a property which is assigned a value by something else, it cannot undeniably matter by itself. It's like trying to talk to someone except that there's no one to begin with.. you need at least two person to talk, or even one that could talk to itself, but talking become impossible if there's no one. Something can matter if you're alone, something can matter even more with multiple people, but nothing can matter if there's nothing to make it matter.

You guys will have fun for a long time if you try to find a yes/no answer to this.

[ilikexd]

Re: Does anything matter?

Looks like my human view post is pointless, let's try again with a slightly more objective view.

"Nothing matters with only one known exception."

If a human being or any form of life with reasoning capabilities decide to assign matter a value and care about it, anything can matter.

What matters is going to become directly interconnected to the being that care about it. It can be expanded to others through communication and become something that matter on a bigger scale.

Does that make things matter on an universal scale without any doubts?

No, because as I started with; "nothing matters" and this is just a man-made exception because we have the ability to create things that matter on a very small scale.

Matter is a property which is assigned a value by something else, it cannot undeniably matter by itself. It's like trying to talk to someone except that there's no one to begin with.. you need at least two person to talk, or even one that could talk to itself, but talking become impossible if there's no one. Something can matter if you're alone, something can matter even more with multiple people, but nothing can matter if there's nothing to make it matter.

You guys will have fun for a long time if you try to find a yes/no answer to this.

How is that an objective view? Your entire post is saying mattering is subjective.

[Hakulyte]

Re: Does anything matter?

Oh okay then, nothing matters.

Nothing can matter because nothing can objectively make things matter.

Enjoy.

..and yes, mattering is entirely subjective according to me.

[ilikexd]

Re: Does anything matter?

Oh okay then, nothing matters.

Nothing can matter because nothing can objectively make things matter.

Enjoy.

No, things subjectively matter.