You know, Ive been thinking...

[3lijah]

Ive been thinking... Ive had/seen/heard multiple discussions with multiple people about science versus the belief of a higher being. One of the things I realized was that "some" of those people were a little trigger-happy with derogatory and uncalled for comments towards individuals who do believe in a higher being. But why? Why is throwing insults a viable option towards stating an opinion? When you do that, you are basically spitting in that persons' face and stomping their beliefs to the ground, shitting on that persons' way of life and telling them they are wrong. That being said, a lot of events in history resulted in bloodshed solely because of religion, Im not ignoring that. But ridiculing one's beliefs? That's ignorance in itself. Ignorant because of the result of hate from what would always would have been simply a discussion from two different stand-points. This is coming from someone who is one of those believers. Everyone accepts a certain something, a very certain something, into their hearts in their own way. Every living human being on this planet walks only one path: their own. What we learn while we are alive carves what we become, science and religion are two of those things.

What do you guys think?

[cedolad]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Most people who are against opinions of a higher being are often arrogant.

[Hakulyte]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Let's prove that 2 = 3

1 + 1 = 2
2 - 2 = 0
3 - 3 = 0
2 - 2 = 3 - 3
2(1 - 1) = 3(1 - 1)
Remove (1-1) on both sides.
2 = 3
If you didn't knew that you couldn't divide by zero, you may have wrongly believed that 2 = 3.

No one wants ambiguity to happen. So, people hates on other people when they try to believe in things they can't prove.

[Izzy]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Every living human being on this planet walks only one path: their own.

I await the day this becomes true. Consequently this means that parents can't force beliefs on their children and would likely be the end of religion and other radical beliefs with no basis in todays reality.

[Arkuski]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

I await the day this becomes true. Consequently this means that parents can't force beliefs on their children and would likely be the end of religion and other radical beliefs with no basis in todays reality.

Guess what I'm going to raise my kids to be Catholic and you're going to hate them too.

[Izzy]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Hate is a strong word. It is more of a disappointment in how unproductive it is to society and progression.

[Arkuski]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Define progression

[Izzy]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Increasing the standard of living, life expectancy and technological advancements.

Would also be good to get closer to a world peace which won't be possible if the majority of people still hold onto irrational radical views. Everyone will still have their problems and difference, but at least it could be based on logic and reasoning.

[Ohaider]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

there are always going to be factors that halt or diminish societal progression. Thinking religion is the sole blame for all this diminished advancing is just as arrogant as making fun of the gay kid on the playground. not saying people here blame religion utterly and completely for all stupidity or restraint in the past, but do consider the other possibilities

[stargroup100]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

A lot of this has to do with how people think and society norms. Everyone has different philosophies, and when there is a conflict of interest, there is a chance that ignorance will take place. It goes both ways. There are nonreligious people who insult religious people, just as there are religious people that insult nonreligious people, and for mostly the same reasons.

People that insult those who believe in a higher being tend to have the philosophy that believing or not believing in these beings have no impact or negative impact on our lives, and/or that we should look at reality objectively without the idea of the supernatural, and that those that do look at the supernatural might be gullible, stupid, etc.

For example, one of the common issues is this: Yes, religion is not all bad, and for some people there is a benefit that they can't otherwise get, and it does have cultural significance, but that doesn't give it the right to invade other areas, such as our government and our science curriculum. That ends up imposing religion onto other people, and a lot of people get angry, and rightfully so. But the ones that insult religion probably generalize and stereotype religious people in this way.

This phenomenon is never going to cease to exist, as there will always be people that are more rational and naturalistic and not accepting of the supernatural, while others practice religion to an extreme. On both sides of the argument, each side thinks it is right and the other wrong. And when you combine that with the fact that many people feel the need to express negativity to those who believe something they think is ridiculous and wrong, well you get a bunch of trouble.

[Tidus810]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Increasing the standard of living, life expectancy and technological advancements.

A guy comes along with an amazing, fool-proof cure for HIV/AIDS and saves millions of lives.

Do you say "Wow, that's amazing, I can't believe the number of lives that guy is going to save!" or do you go "Wait a second, what are his religious beliefs...?"?

just sayin

[Izzy]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

No idea what your point is.

[stargroup100]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

He's trying to say that a person's religious views doesn't affect their potential accomplishments. The best scientists don't have to be nonreligious.

And then he's trying to use that as a rebuttal for your reason as to why religion is not tolerated.

But I think your point is that's the reason why some people don't tolerate religion, not that it's a valid reason to insult religion.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tidus810]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

He's trying to say that a person's religious views doesn't affect their potential accomplishments. The best scientists don't have to be nonreligious.

And then he's trying to use that as a rebuttal for your reason as to why religion is not tolerated.

But I think your point is that's the reason why some people don't tolerate religion, not that it's a valid reason to insult religion.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Right. Except in his little exchange with Arkuski, Izzy said that he is/would be disappointed if Arkuski raised his potential children as Catholic because they would not contribute to society or advance technology...

[d4u7211]

Re: You know, Ive been thinking...

Most people who are against opinions of a higher being are often arrogant.

I dunno, I've seen it go both ways, it all has to do with the fanatics dewd