An old challenge

[YoshL]

Re: An old challenge

4- The computer cannot receive orders to give answers in specific situations (the input has to be a statement, not an order or a question). Every answer depends on a previous knowledge of the computer. It also doesn't deal with hypothetical situations (for example, referencing a "false statement" without specifying the statement)

my input was still a statement, not an order or a question. I simply said basically to do what alot of computers do already today, when they hit a part of the statement as false, then just end there. short circuit logic, it's pretty widely used

[Zaevod]

Re: An old challenge

Will check your solutions now, just a sec.

[benguino]

Re: An old challenge

If the answer involves door X, then use "A" for true, and "B" for false.
If the answer involves door Y, then use "C" for true, and "D" for false.
If the answer involves door Z, then use "E" for true, and "F" for false.

Append all characters for door involvement (if statement has X, and Y, then answer will be either AC or BD)

Stop parsing the statement if any assumption in the statement is false. Treat the assumptions up to that point as the full statement. (including the false statement)

This entire section is all orders however imho. You're telling the computer to do certain things according to your exact preferences and specifications.

EDIT: Also, the way the question was posed made it seem like there were only two possible outputs, "true" or "false", such that any "true" would be indistinguishable from any other "true" and likewise for "false".

[YoshL]

Re: An old challenge

we'll see lol

[Zaevod]

Re: An old challenge

doors x, y, z from left to right.
assign different ways of saying true and false.
If the answer involves door X, then use "A" for true, and "B" for false.
If the answer involves door Y, then use "C" for true, and "D" for false.
If the answer involves door Z, then use "E" for true, and "F" for false.

Unfortunately, that's not possible, even if the rest is logically correct (haven't really check, as this part basically invalidates it). The two output messages are "true" or "false", and cannot be changed.

[YoshL]

Re: An old challenge

ah alright then that clears things up (sad)

i liked my solution lol

edit: thought of a way to get 3 answers

[Zaevod]

Re: An old challenge

Guise, pls.

You're all very smart and creative, but there's no need to look for subterfuges to get to the solution. I added the rules specifically because people always try to include possibilities that are beyond the original scope of the problem. Believe me, with the right combination of labels and logical predicates, there is an infinite number of direct statements which will give the desired outcome (infinite because the possible labels are infinite, that is).

[Reincarnate]

Re: An old challenge

Elaborate pt #4 plox. Sounds way too vague to be useful -- what exactly do you mean by this?

If the computer is only answering "true" or "false" then clearly the input must be a declaration (i.e. a statement) since that's the only way truth value can be assessed ("Stacy is a bitch", "If I go to school tomorrow, I will trip on a banana peel," "The correct door is the middle one"), which is all fine and well. However:

"Every answer depends on a previous knowledge of the computer" What? You say the computer can predict, but its answers depend on previous knowledge?

"It also doesn't deal with hypothetical situations (for example, referencing a "false statement" without specifying the statement)" Again, what does this mean? Can you give an example?

IMO this problem is not well-formed yet and has a few internal inconsistencies that need to be ironed out in order for a meaningful answer to be extracted.

Is this sufficient:

The magical computer's subroutine:

def answerMain(statement):

    if trueOrFalseStatement(statement):

        answer = getAnswer(statement) #getAnswer() returns 1 if true, 0 if false

        if bug(): #50% chance of being true
            return 1-answer
        else:
	    return answer

    else:

        print "You will now be flayed alive and pumped full of neurotoxin."
        flay()
        pumpNeurotoxin()
        return fuck you++

#Program written courtesy of GLaDOS and Ramsay Snow

[MracY]

Re: An old challenge

Make it like "the cube" movie where 1 room is safe and the other two kill you painfully.

No, because that way you couldn't head back after checking out one of the rooms.

[YoshL]

Re: An old challenge

doors x, y, z from left to right.

If the parsed statement involves door Y, then delay the answer by 5 seconds.
If the parsed statement involves door Z, then delay the answer by an additional 15 seconds.

Stop parsing the statement if any assumption in the statement is false. Treat the assumptions up to that point as the full statement. (including the false statement)

If door X leads to a boring place, and Y leads to a boring place, then Z is the awesome door.


this works :P short circuit logic. kkthxbye

[Zaevod]

Re: An old challenge

Elaborate pt #4 plox. Sounds way too vague to be useful -- what exactly do you mean by this?

If the computer is only answering "true" or "false" then clearly the input must be a declaration (i.e. a statement) since that's the only way truth value can be assessed ("Stacy is a bitch", "If I go to school tomorrow, I will trip on a banana peel," "The correct door is the middle one"), which is all fine and well. However:

"Every answer depends on a previous knowledge of the computer" What? You say the computer can predict, but its answers depend on previous knowledge?

"It also doesn't deal with hypothetical situations (for example, referencing a "false statement" without specifying the statement)" Again, what does this mean? Can you give an example?

IMO this problem is not well-formed yet and has a few internal inconsistencies that need to be ironed out in order for a meaningful answer to be extracted.

Sorry, I'll try to be as clear as possible.

What number 4 means is that the only way to get an answer from the computer is by inputting a statement with verifiable values without including hypothetical things with values determined by the person, for example

"Considering that door 1 is labeled with something that exists, door 2 with something that doesn't exist and door 3 with something that may or may not exist, the label of the door that takes to the cool place exists"

That's just a way to prevent the final statement from being too trivial, because there is no challenge if you can just directly tell the computer to answer whatever you want in a determined situation. I guess the "previous knowledge" thing was a bit confusing, then. It just means that you have to use actual concepts and things in your statements instead of hypothetical things with values that you can attribute yourself and tell the computer. Of course, that alone doesn't solve the bug problem.

Is this sufficient:

The magical computer's subroutine:

def answerMain(statement):

    if trueOrFalseStatement(statement):

        answer = getAnswer(statement) #getAnswer() returns 1 if true, 0 if false

        if bug(): #50% chance of being true
            return 1-answer
        else:
	    return answer

    else:

        print "You will now be flayed alive and pumped full of neurotoxin."
        flay()
        pumpNeurotoxin()
        return fuck you++

#Program written courtesy of GLaDOS and Ramsay Snow

Pretty much. Except that it does nothing in that last part. And, well, the way to solve the bug must be included in the statement, too.

[MracY]

Re: An old challenge

Guise, pls.

You're all very smart and creative, but there's no need to look for subterfuges to get to the solution. I added the rules specifically because people always try to include possibilities that are beyond the original scope of the problem. Believe me, with the right combination of labels and logical predicates, there is an infinite number of direct statements which will give the desired outcome (infinite because the possible labels are infinite, that is).

How boring.

[Zaevod]

Re: An old challenge

If I didn't add rules, people would just dictate the behavior of the computer in any way and there would be no real challenge, lol

[Reincarnate]

Re: An old challenge

"2- It only has enough energy left for one answer;"

What dictates "one answer?"

e.g. "Your answer to question X is the same as your answer to question Y" = valid or invalid?

[Zaevod]

Re: An old challenge

"2- It only has enough energy left for one answer;"

What dictates "one answer?"

e.g. "Your answer to question X is the same as your answer to question Y" = valid or invalid?

Valid. It means there will be only one "true" or "false" message in the end. It can calculate infinte values (which can include final answers from other statements that would be given in specific situations) but will only give one answer in the end.

Leaving to college now.